AI business model is that of a school bully who a) steals a cup of lemonade from your lemonade stand, b) drinks it, c) pees into the cup, d) sells it to others, e) convinces the cheerleaders to go around telling everyone that you are not going to be able to make or sell your own lemonade anymore.
On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
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Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#32On the same topic from another webcomic: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2024/01/03/terminarter (text commentary below the comic, in case your OS has decided to conceal the scroll bar from you and you didn't notice the page is longer)
> I'm always reticent to fully engage in "The Dialogue," regardless of its momentary configuration. It's a smoothie made from shibboleths; you have to be able to detect them at only a few parts per million because once these things metastasize, they stop being about whatever they were about and instead become increasingly loud recitations of various catechisms and loyalty oaths.
Boy does that ring true.
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#33I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’
It's just a prompt to say using thick pen line art cartoon of a something something. Midjourney kind of sucks though in this cartoon style for most things unless it's a one off. Last I tried I couldn't make a 'comic' per se as the context and style would be off panel to panel. I paint and draw a lot for fun and love to play with these as ways to see ideas before expanding on the time to make them. I'd gladly pay as an artist a very small fee to use something that is worth a damn to experiment with. I hate the thought though that people are creating final imagery with AI created painting/imagery without a thought of what it took to create it.
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#34I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’
this is what I get explicitly asking for "Cat and Girl" in the style of Dorothy Gambrell. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098302916395270235/1...
It gets even worse being MORE explicit about referencing THE '"Cat and Girl" online comic strip by Dorothy Gambrell'
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#35I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’
What’s hacky about it? They’re using the discord chat bot interaction tools to make interactions for their chat bot. They also have a UI on their website, not sure if it’s still closed or not.
It's still closed. It's hacky because Discord is generally a messaging app. You can wedge things into messaging apps but the UI is suboptimal. I did an AI art symposium at Google towards fall 2022 and it was __impossible__ to explain to a designer how to use it in under 2 minutes. Ended up dropping it entirely.
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#36> But I can't even get cartoons to most people for free now, without doing unpaid work for the profit-making companies who own the most use channels of communication
This is the sticking point for me. OpenAI isn't a profit-making company, but it's certainly a valuable company. A valuable company that is built from the work of content others created without transferring any value back to them. Regardless of legalities, that's wrong to me.
Put it this way - you remove all the copyrighted, permission-less content from OpenAIs training, what value does OpenAI's products have? If you think OpenAI is less valuable because it can't use copyrighted content, then it should give some of that value back to the content.
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#37I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’
what you'd really need to do is actually a custom --style that is trained on her images specifically, which midjourney allows
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Making money from the trained model isn't fair use anymore.
No, fair use does not preclude making money.
That's an over-simplication. Fair use does not necessarily preclude the user from making money, but it definitely can if that action diminishes the value of the copied work.
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
this is what I get explicitly asking for "Cat and Girl" in the style of Dorothy Gambrell. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098302916395270235/1...
It gets even worse being MORE explicit about referencing THE '"Cat and Girl" online comic strip by Dorothy Gambrell'
More or less. Cat and Girl is interpreted as 2 not-proper nouns. But even when you just spam Dorothy Gambrell it doesn't get it. It doesn't seem to know the style individually, at all.
Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney
#40The sooner anyone making profit from models trained on creators proprietary content start paying for the content they’re using the better for creators, society and even the AI companies. It’s pretty tiring hearing people argue about whether copyright law applies to AI companies or not. It applies. Just get on and sort out a proper licensing model.
> It applies. If only saying it would make it so. Unfortunately, it's not easy to make this legal argument given how copyright law only protects fixed, tangible expressions, not ideas, concepts, principles, etc. and has a gaping hole called 'fair use.'
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