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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #93
diggan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

How do you mark something for deletion? Or once its in the network thats it? Seems easy to DDOS by changing one character many times in a file which generates a new id each time

> How do you mark something for deletion?

The same as you'd delete anything from any protocol essentially, you delete it locally. If you've shared it on the internet, you ask people nicely to delete it, if they refuse, you either pursue them legally or give up. Basically, just like how you delete a picture from the internet today.

> Seems easy to DDOS by changing one character many times in a file which generates a new id each time

All you're doing in that case is adding more files locally and filling your hard-drive with random files. No content gets automatically distributed unless people request it.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by jayd16 »

foobiekr wrote: post #85
diggan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

Caches solve this placement problem just fine today and content addressing does not alleviate the placement problem at all. Reality is the space thing is just part of the usual crypto grift narrative building.

Simple caches do not allow third parties to deploy them while being sufficiently secure.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by toomuchtodo »

robertlagrant wrote: post #98
toomuchtodo wrote: post #8

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> What I do think will happen in space, though, is similar to what already happens with PoPs around the world. As an example: I believe that there will be a YouTube on the moon and YouTube on Mars, and YouTube servers caching most of the content on both, and it'll all work the same. Cross-planet communication will be high latency, but it won't matter. Importantly, this is enabled by content addressable storage in IPF…

> Importantly, this is enabled by content addressable storage in IPFS Can't it be enabled in all sorts of ways? E.g. edge caching, the way YouTube works today?

Coordination, namespace, and addressing challenge with traditional addressing and caching. It’s why BitTorrent is so good at distribution: it is uncoordinated edge distribution, IPFS is just a bit more formalized. Subresource integrity demonstrates why the crypto is needed.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by LatticeAnimal »

mywacaday wrote: post #4

One of the most unusual home pages I've seen in a long time, not sure if I like it or I'm just conditioned to expect a certain style, kudos to them for being different though.

I really appreciated the interactive video-style homepage on https://filecoin.io/. I thought it was a lot cooler than the standard self-congratulatory graphs / bullet points that the I usually skim over.

EDIT: However, it is strange that the foundation has a totally different site.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by arsome »

timtom39 wrote: post #15
sandbx wrote: post #14

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libgen uses it

In practice libgen uses torrents. The available seed nodes for IPFS are... few. This is largely due to the software/protocol being pretty bad compared to battle tested torrents.

Perhaps if you're downloading full dumps, but distribution of individual books is often done via IPFS.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

bunderbunder wrote: post #30

I'm still a little lost. Could someone more knowledgeable than me explain how operations in space would benefit from a public content-addressable filesystem? This seems like the kind of application that works best when bandwidth and storage are cheap, and I would have assumed that that, in space, both are about as far from cheap as you can get.

You're asking about why run this service in space, but this service is a reliable scalable data store. Ask instead what kinds of data would you want in space, and why?

The throughput probably won't be great, but mainly if we assume 1:1 not broadcast connections! There will be roving access, not continual, to a given satellite - a fact until there are thousands of other satellites also serving ipfs. Costs will be high.

But still, there are wins. So far, satellite reliability is fairly high; there haven't been natural or human-made disasters afflicting many satellites. In some conditions the roving nature of the satellite could be a boon; you can get information out to a lot of people.

Wikipedia, news, important events... those would all benefit from guaranteed-reoccuring-availability model, perhaps. This would be an interesting tamper-resistant way to store something like votes, if it could be vetted. If there's satellite to satellite communications, the ability to have an expanding archive of crucial orbital information is useful; the swarm can grow & update vital behavior with ipfs in interesting ways.

Rather than assess just on whether this will make a good ipfs node as ipfs is typically used (high bandwidth, high storage nodes), I think it's worth considering this on the merits of what this technology offers that is distinct. Pulling out a single ruler to measure everything isn't always the best and only way to judge; indeed I think we miss a lot when we apply only our current set of expectations to new ideas & encounters. I'd encourage a more liberal consideration. Although I agree, I'm not sure either what the killer use is, I want to see thinking that pioneers what could work, that explored what values are on offer, even if it's not the same old values as the incumbent (fiber optics on the ground).

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by numbsafari »

diggan wrote: post #91
foobiekr wrote: post #85

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Caches solve this placement problem just fine today and content addressing does not alleviate the placement problem at all. Reality is the space thing is just part of the usual crypto grift narrative building.

> Caches solve this placement problem just fine today and content addressing does not alleviate the placement problem at all. Being able to arbitrary place caches anywhere and let anyone serve the data, and you can trust you're getting the right data, is a huge benefit over location-addressing. Ignoring IPFS, content-addressing makes sense for so many things, which is what lots of storage/caching/CDN solutions have d…

> Being able to arbitrary place caches anywhere and let anyone serve the data

This is the grift.

The "libertarians" want to be able to host their CSAM, sorry, their "freedom materials" on everyone's servers in such a way that nobody can ever "silence their freedom" because it would mean silencing the cat gifs, too. Want to be "on the net"? Well, you absolutely have to agree to host anyone else's content without question at all times. But, it's okay, we'll pay you with... coins!

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by TrainedMonkey »

jayd16 wrote: post #97
bunderbunder wrote: post #90

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OK. But, going back to my comment about cheap. This claim: > The benefit of this is that you can fetch the data from anywhere Only works if the data I want is being replicated in many locations. But storage in spacecraft is presumably a tightly constrained resource, due to the need to use technology that's space-hardened and has an extremely good reliability record, and is therefore probably far from being both cutti…

You're asking why a superglue company would superglue a construction worker to a steel beam. Its promotional material.

I think the key is understanding why promotional material matters so much to crypto. Crypto operates on hype -> higher price -> FOMO -> higher price cycle. The trade is that for large holders $$$ invested in hype would return significantly higher gains. This enabled questionable coins / ICOs to get celebrity endorsements for easy money in the past. In current regime the model can still work, but with smaller returns and significantly higher execution barriers.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by wegfawefgawefg »

diggan wrote: post #68
Yizahi wrote: post #59

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Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In…

Maybe I missed something obvious, but does the IPFS project itself say anywhere that it does "file preservation"? The only thing I can find from official resources is documentation saying IPFS does not do that at all. Example from https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-... > What IPFS isn't > IPFS is not ... A storage provider: While there are storage providers built with IPFS support (typically…

http is not a website. but you can use it to serve websites.

ipfs is not a fileserver. but you can use it to host files.

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