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Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by LeoPanthera »

slantyyz wrote: post #85
lagniappe wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll probably catch heat for this, but I think Windows 95 was the pinnacle of UI/UX design, and much of what we've done since have been regressions.

I disagree, but only slightly, Windows 2000 was my personal favorite, especially for its version of Windows Explorer.

The one area where I think 98 and 2000 regress from 95 is that they introduce "web content" in applications that are not web browsers - specifically, random objects respond to single-clicks instead of double-clicks, and blue underlined (and sometimes not even underlined) hyperlinks start to appear.

There was no reason to do that.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by LeoPanthera »

applied_heat wrote: post #89
trealira wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair. I haven't yet seen a car with only a touchscreen and nothing else, but I wouldn't be surprised by the existence of such a car. I don't actively keep up with new cars.

Tesla doesn’t have buttons for the aforementioned functions

I hate Tesla as much as the next guy, but all Teslas have buttons for temperature and audio controls - they're on the steering wheel.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by pjmlp »

chrsw wrote: post #12

In terms of foundations and principles Haiku OS is more of a coherent platform that anything on the Linux desktop attests to be at the moment. In terms practicality, hardware support and a size of software ecosystem it is still very minor compared to Linux, which I find unfortunate.

All desktop OSes are, as they are thought as a whole stack, not jigsaw puzzles.

That is what made Android/Linux and ChromeOS/Linux attractive to the masses, they offer the structure, for users and application developers, that GNU/Linux has never managed to structure across the endless list of flavours on Distrowatch.

I really enjoyed using BeOS 5 during its heyday.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by anthk »

Apocryphon wrote: post #8
givemeethekeys wrote: post #2

Haiku looked amazing and beautiful in 2009 when I first learned about it. Today it looks dated like Windows 95.

That’s to a certain advantage though. There’s a nostalgic pining for simpler cleaner OS aesthetics. See the vaporwave and Frutiger Aero trends, and the interest in SerenityOS.

Aero was not simpler or cleaner. Ditto with KDE3 with Keramik. Usable and with clear widgets? Yes, but not simpler. Simpler, clean and usable were Mac OS 7-8, Windows 95-2k, or BeOS.

Also, lots of vaporwave confuses the 80's and 90's, often made from people which either they weren't there or they were too young.

To me the years from1996 and 2004 share lots of traits, (being Mac OSX almost the pinaccle of late 90's technologism and optimistic futurism), and early 90's were culturally almost an extension of the late 80's. Both in trends, music, movies... things began to change with Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, and so on.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by anthk »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #91
slantyyz wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, but only slightly, Windows 2000 was my personal favorite, especially for its version of Windows Explorer.

The one area where I think 98 and 2000 regress from 95 is that they introduce "web content" in applications that are not web browsers - specifically, random objects respond to single-clicks instead of double-clicks, and blue underlined (and sometimes not even underlined) hyperlinks start to appear. There was no reason to do that.

Active X desktop crap could be disabled with some Registry tweaks.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by jbverschoor »

oso2k wrote: post #74
jbverschoor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Early 2000s it was my daily driver. But man.. I used the filesystem like it was indented.. All my files had attributes. Unfortunately none of the metadata was supported on other platforms. Lots of wasted energy :) I loved BeOS

I used the filesystem like it was indented. What does `indented` mean here. Not familiar with this usage.

lol.. I meant that intended :). BeOS made heavy use of extended attributes. Everything was a file, and you could add attributes. With modern filesystems, this is also possible, but what made BeOS so special is that the attributes were a core feature of the OS.

The file manager Tracker (Finder / Explorer) allowed you to select any attribute as a column name. The filesystem indexed all attributes, so it was blazing fast.

For example, all emails were stored as regular files (like Maildir). They had attributes for things like: MAIL:from, MAIL:when, MAIL:subject etc.

It's a different from using a separate indexing service like Spotlight.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by ianai »

jonhohle wrote: post #64
ianai wrote: post #4

At some point/place I heard it was going to have a ribbon type thing flow down menus. This would help follow stuff in deep drill downs. Really wish someone had done it. https://store.kde.org/s/Opendesktop/p/1080563/ Personally, I think this OS has promise if it could get more modernization. It’d be nice to have another OSS GUI with some leanings into UI/UX. Edit-modernizations like cross compatibility with linux, wou…

BeFS is its own awesome thing. Sure, ZFS integrity and portability is nice, but the speed and metadata of BeFS is great.

Sure, but adding metadata to zfs would probably be easier than modernizing BeFS. Just in general as FSes are very worthy of being a project unto themselves. Thinking of low lying fruit to get maximum value easily. BeFS doesn’t have to go anywhere either.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by hexagonwin »

ianai wrote: post #23
steviedotboston wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

leave it to Action Retro to lie and mislead viewers...

Are they known for that? They deleted a perfectly respectable comment of mine yesterday and I’m a bit wary.

That might be an issue with YouTube's automated system though, not necessarily the channel admin's.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by hackeraccount »

yellowapple wrote: post #33
Underphil wrote: post #3

Loved BeOS, and love HaikuOS. But a "daily driver" it is most certainly not. Don't be fooled.

I attempted to use Haiku as my daily driver about a year ago. Only four things really put the kibosh on that: 1. Lack of native / built-in support for full-disk encryption 2. Lack of a day-to-day usable web browser 3. Lack of the apps I regularly use on Linux and Windows (or good enough equivalents) 4. Lack of stability on the hardware I was using (Framework 11th Gen) It looks like at least one of those is no longer…

Other then that how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Post by chrsw »

nightowl_games wrote: post #24
chrsw wrote: post #12

In terms of foundations and principles Haiku OS is more of a coherent platform that anything on the Linux desktop attests to be at the moment. In terms practicality, hardware support and a size of software ecosystem it is still very minor compared to Linux, which I find unfortunate.

These two things are linked.

This statement got me thinking. How do you mean? I wonder if you're thinking what I'm thinking.
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