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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by Yizahi »

wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #65
Yizahi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In…

I have uploaded files about 3 years ago to ipfs and somehow its still there.

Unfortunately I have to repeat what I just wrote word for word:

"there is no GUARANTEE about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically)"

Sure your files are accidentally still present in the cache. Good for you. The problem is deceiving other people who may think it's somehow spacemagically-interplanetary guaranteed.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by [deleted] »

littlestymaar wrote: post #52
diggan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

> The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific geographical location This complete nonsense. First of all DNS can give you multiple IP addresses[1] (that's how CDNs work eh!) and then IP addresses are only very loosely coupled to geographical locations… [1]: https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/what-is-anycast-dns/

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by shuckles »

tutfbhuf wrote: post #33
grumbel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild, even projects for which it should be well suited (archive.org, Linux package distribution, Git, Lemmy, Imgur, CivitAI), don't use it. Worse yet, IPFS still provides no real way to deal with private or local data, which drastically limits its use. I love the idea about data being addressable by hash, but I don't feel IPFS has actually delivered anything meaning…

> Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild Every time someone downloads a book from a shadow library like Library Genesis, it's through IPFS most of the time, often via an IPFS gateway such as Cloudflare's IPFS gateway, so you don't even notice it's using IPFS. These shadow libraries have millions of users per day, especially academics.

I’ve recently observed that both IPFS and the Cloudflare gateways are extremely unreliable on Libgen.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

numbsafari wrote: post #67
diggan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

Yeah, I don’t think your explanation offers anything over and above what actual CDNs already do for us right here on earth. CAS is a separate issue than a caching hierarchy.

> Yeah, I don’t think your explanation offers anything over and above what actual CDNs already do for us right here on earth

CDNs usually offer location-addressing, sometimes via different ways but most of the time boils down to "I have to reach that specific node to fetch this specific content". I'm not sure in what other words I could use to explain how content-addressing is different from that...

(not even talking about IPFS at this point (or in my grand-parent comment), it's just about URIs vs URLs in the end)

(edit: besides, the CDNs you're talking about are with 99% certainty using content-addressing all over the place internally)

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Filecoin, Akash, DVPN, Jackal, Helium are all cryptocurrency projects with real products/use cases outside of the circular defi economy/number go up technology.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by extraduder_ire »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #35

Sure space is cool (or maybe not, but don't want to upset the HN consensus), but this seems like a total gimmick and waste of money, time, and PR.

Based on a skim of the article; they uploaded, ran, and tested their code on a cubesat running "Lockheed Martin’s SmartSat technology". So, it wasn't that expensive. My initial thought was cubesats are cheap anyway, but they don't seem to have even launched one themselves.

Gimmick, sure. but it's an important milestone and costs less than a series of TV ads.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by geokon »

grumbel wrote: post #10
dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild, even projects for which it should be well suited (archive.org, Linux package distribution, Git, Lemmy, Imgur, CivitAI), don't use it. Worse yet, IPFS still provides no real way to deal with private or local data, which drastically limits its use. I love the idea about data being addressable by hash, but I don't feel IPFS has actually delivered anything meaning…

Wouldn't all those examples also work just as easily with torrents/magnet-links? I think in all those cases a central server distribution model has unfortunately been "good enough" for the majority of users (even though their data is mined and ads are injected)

When it comes to FOSS, I personally don't understand why something like a package manager isn't P2P by default. It feels very aligned with the hacker culture - a la "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace". Virtually nobody uses it, so the solutions are half baked, clunky and not integrated with every day workflows (ex: browsers don't support anything P2P). Something like libcurl can't pull a torrent from the web

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by pocketarc »

m3kw9 wrote: post #54
pocketarc wrote: post #6

Huge achievement. A big, big stepping stone toward interplanetary communication. But while I love the idea of IPFS, it comes with a bunch of tradeoffs that I think make it very unlikely that it'll ever become mainstream. What I do think will happen in space, is similar to what already happens with PoPs around the world, no IPFS required. As an example: I believe that there will be a YouTube on the moon and YouTube on…

Is this a joke? If anything they would use a centralized service and not have to install a wallet to communicate.

I think you might've misunderstood what I was saying. I absolutely agree with you. I don't think it will use IPFS.

I'm saying in a hypothetical future in which we have colonised other planets, tech companies will just plop caching servers on Mars and the moon, completely obviating the need for IPFS or anything special.

(edited original comment a little to clarify)

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by treyd »

rglullis wrote: post #11
dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

So is Storj and Sia. It raises the question, though: I can pay Storj S3 with STORJ tokens, and I can also pay for renterd space with Sia tokens, and I can also pay for IPFS with Filecoin, and all of them still work with good old credit cards. What "intrinsic" value is there for any of these tokens, if they can only be used on their own internal economies? And before the "but permissionless, so I can pay with crypto!"…

Afaik there was some work to make it possible to pay for Sia storage in the new renterd node with any crypto asset you could make a payment channel with (so, most of them including Dai), but I don't see that in the readme anymore: https://github.com/SiaFoundation/renterd

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by Yizahi »

diggan wrote: post #68
Yizahi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In…

Maybe I missed something obvious, but does the IPFS project itself say anywhere that it does "file preservation"? The only thing I can find from official resources is documentation saying IPFS does not do that at all. Example from https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-... > What IPFS isn't > IPFS is not ... A storage provider: While there are storage providers built with IPFS support (typically…

The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup will guarantee preservation of some data via IPFS. This was also a usual argument in comparisons to commercial cloud storage.

Reading your link I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage. For example TCP is a protocol, but TCP is not a network of nodes even if there is a network of nodes using TCP to communicate.

I think this is some cheap wordplay to play pretend distributed filestorage and but also absolve themselves from any responsibility in case something goes wrong "IPFS is only a protocol, you probably was holding it wrong".

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