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Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by colesantiago »

dannyw wrote: post #7

Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value, even if the amount is debatable. IPFS has stood the test of time and seems like a good protocol; and a cryptocurrency that can be used to pay for storage is not valueless.

> Filecoin is probably one of the few cryptocurrencies with intrinsic value,

None of these coins have any intrinsic value.

There are thousands of people who sat on bench and thought, "I want to create a ponzi coin" doesn't mean they create value.

Crypto is a net negative phenomenon.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by m3kw9 »

Uptrenda wrote: post #16

The kings of marketing and buzz-words at it again trying to re-spin CDNs as their invention. IPFS doesn't solve persistence of data; doesn't solve churn in p2p systems; doesn't actually 'store' anything. Sounds cool though! Space and shit, some-thing, something 'decentralized' --hand waving-- 'space', umm, can I have money now? I'm doing it.

It’s all about the filecoin, the pumpers are lying to themselves how it will change humanity and spreading their preachings on social media. Some actually knows it’s bs but they know a lot of them will buy it up

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by m3kw9 »

rudolph9 wrote: post #5
blamestross wrote: post #2

Well the caching aspect of IPFS is useful for space, the transport protocols are way too chatty and latency sensitive for real usage.

The beauty of ipfs is the transport protocols are completely modular. They do a pretty good job supporting a lot of variety a separating concerns via https://github.com/libp2p/specs

The beauty of ipfs has been there since 6 years back and it’s almost completely uselses

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by wegfawefgawefg »

Yizahi wrote: post #59
wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its never going down".

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In…

I have uploaded files about 3 years ago to ipfs and somehow its still there.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by realPubkey »

jrwr wrote: post #22
grumbel wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it? I have never seen anybody using IPFS in the wild, even projects for which it should be well suited (archive.org, Linux package distribution, Git, Lemmy, Imgur, CivitAI), don't use it. Worse yet, IPFS still provides no real way to deal with private or local data, which drastically limits its use. I love the idea about data being addressable by hash, but I don't feel IPFS has actually delivered anything meaning…

IPFS also has issues with large datasets, anything larger then a few TBs cases nodes to explode and indexing takes forever.

Also the lookup time for files is too slow to use it on anything user facing.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by numbsafari »

diggan wrote: post #38
bunderbunder wrote: post #30

I'm still a little lost. Could someone more knowledgeable than me explain how operations in space would benefit from a public content-addressable filesystem? This seems like the kind of application that works best when bandwidth and storage are cheap, and I would have assumed that that, in space, both are about as far from cheap as you can get.

The internet traditionally uses location-addressing. A DNS name pointing to a IP which has a specific location your computer tries to reach in order to fetch the content. This means that particular node needs to respond to you, and the bandwidth is depending on the bandwidth available on the particular path to that specific node. Instead, IPFS uses content-addressing, where the content is hashed and given a ID based…

Yeah, I don’t think your explanation offers anything over and above what actual CDNs already do for us right here on earth.

CAS is a separate issue than a caching hierarchy.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

Yizahi wrote: post #59
wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its never going down".

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In…

Maybe I missed something obvious, but does the IPFS project itself say anywhere that it does "file preservation"?

The only thing I can find from official resources is documentation saying IPFS does not do that at all. Example from https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-...

> What IPFS isn't

> IPFS is not ... A storage provider: While there are storage providers built with IPFS support (typically known as pinning services), IPFS itself is a protocol, not a provider

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by roblabla »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #53
kibwen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the same idea as magnet links, so you could say it's torrents with the same steps.

The main advantage IPFS has over torrents with magnet links is global deduplication / a global swarm. If you seed a torrent that just contains book A, and I seed a torrent that contains books A and B, I won't provide any bandwidth to people downloading book A through your torrent. If we were using IPFS, someone downloading book A will be able to pull from both you and me, even if we don't personally know about each o…

Actually, BitTorrent v2 (as specified in BEP 52) has per-file hash trees, so it supports sharing a swarm if the same file is shared between different torrents. Not a whole lot of torrents use it though.

Re: Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

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Post by diggan »

colesantiago wrote: post #55
Cheer2171 wrote: post #35

Sure space is cool (or maybe not, but don't want to upset the HN consensus), but this seems like a total gimmick and waste of money, time, and PR.

Except it's true. I don't see a use case for this other than speculation. I would even go as far to say that this 'side project' was done to try and pump the price of filecoin so that people can take profit off of it.

> I don't see a use case for this other than speculation.

The other use cases are hinted to in the name of the project...

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