Full tuition scholarship is amazing, go to the US, ace school, get work experience in the summer. You will do fine.
Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
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Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#92Developer based from Austria here - I'll counter what most are saying. Europe has a much more stable / less volatile job market, mass layoffs are subject to union negotiations (see Google's debacle in France) and your life will generally be much more stable. Citizenship is also, comparably, easier to obtain in the long run compared to the bureaucratic mess US naturalization presents. If you are at all willing to lear…
While the thing about unions is generally true in the European Union, universally it isn't. Take Hungary (where I am from) as an example. Trade unions there are practically non-existent. Most of them got destroyed by the state during the mismanaged adaptation of capitalism after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The ones remaining are a shadow at best (in terms of power) of what's there in Austria or Germany.
The rest I wholeheartedly agree with! (Waving from Vienna, oida!) My comment here is purely just for additional context. :)
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#93Developer based from Austria here - I'll counter what most are saying. Europe has a much more stable / less volatile job market, mass layoffs are subject to union negotiations (see Google's debacle in France) and your life will generally be much more stable. Citizenship is also, comparably, easier to obtain in the long run compared to the bureaucratic mess US naturalization presents. If you are at all willing to lear…
While the thing about unions is generally true in the European Union, universally it isn't. Take Hungary (where I am from) as an example. Trade unions there are practically non-existent. Most of them got destroyed by the state during the mismanaged adaptation of capitalism after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The ones remaining are a shadow at best (in terms of power) of what's there in Austria or Germany. The res…
Very true, but workers’ rights are still generally held in higher regard than in a lot of other countries… more due to begrudging compliance with EU directives than anything else, but it could be worse.
Maternity leave is very good, paternity leave recently improved, laws on overtime are relatively strict (although somewhat loosened since the “slave law”) shift allowances are decent, rules around notice periods, probation periods and termination are all relatively fair.
It’s also true in the (admittedly-no-longer-EU) UK that unions are fairly weak nowadays except in very specific industries, such as the railways, public sector, etc.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#94Developer based from Austria here - I'll counter what most are saying. Europe has a much more stable / less volatile job market, mass layoffs are subject to union negotiations (see Google's debacle in France) and your life will generally be much more stable. Citizenship is also, comparably, easier to obtain in the long run compared to the bureaucratic mess US naturalization presents. If you are at all willing to lear…
There will be no union in a Berlin startup.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#95Career aside - I’ve had the experience of being an immigrant in both North America and Europe. There’s no comparison: go to the USA. This is about more than stats and numbers - it’s about finding a new home, being welcomed, being able to fit in, open minded locals. Even really conservative North Americans are super nice and welcoming if you stick to the rules. Having said all that, actually getting the right to move…
Where did you stay in Europe to have such a bad experience?
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#96I'm going to say the opposite.
Look into studying in Germany (and/or while having the job).
You can get an equivalent degree there for anywhere from probably 10k-20k EUR p/y at the top schools. Going to a normal school will cost you a few hundred to maybe 3000p/y.
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
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Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#99Career aside - I’ve had the experience of being an immigrant in both North America and Europe. There’s no comparison: go to the USA. This is about more than stats and numbers - it’s about finding a new home, being welcomed, being able to fit in, open minded locals. Even really conservative North Americans are super nice and welcoming if you stick to the rules. Having said all that, actually getting the right to move…
> being welcomed, being able to fit in, open minded locals
This part differs as much across Europe as it does in the US, I'm sure. Hard to say one is "more racist" or "more bigot" than the other, without knowing exactly what locations you're comparing.
> Even really conservative North Americans are super nice and welcoming if you stick to the rules
That's the easy part! The interesting and valuable part is how they treat you when you don't fit into their "rules" and "how people should act".
Re: Ask HN: Help me solve a dilemma, study in the US or take a job in the EU?
#100Career aside - I’ve had the experience of being an immigrant in both North America and Europe. There’s no comparison: go to the USA. This is about more than stats and numbers - it’s about finding a new home, being welcomed, being able to fit in, open minded locals. Even really conservative North Americans are super nice and welcoming if you stick to the rules. Having said all that, actually getting the right to move…
I've heard that NA is more welcoming of immigrants because as a country it relied more on immigrants' brain power and brain drain from other countries.
What do you think of that statement?