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Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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No 3D acceleration.

What are you doing on a daily basis that needs 3D graphics?

Rendering javascript bullshit.

Seriously; set up a xeon vm without a video accelerator, vnc in, and try using it as your daily driver web browser. 128 cores weren’t close to enough the last time I tried (6 years ago).

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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TV remotes do still have buttons. Also, there are still on/off buttons and volume buttons on phones. Video game controllers still use buttons. Car radios and car A/C and heaters still use physical buttons.

> Car radios and car A/C and heaters still use physical buttons. Depends on the car's year, make, and model. It could be touchscreen only.

That's fair. I haven't yet seen a car with only a touchscreen and nothing else, but I wouldn't be surprised by the existence of such a car. I don't actively keep up with new cars.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Loved BeOS, and love HaikuOS. But a "daily driver" it is most certainly not. Don't be fooled.

I attempted to use Haiku as my daily driver about a year ago. Only four things really put the kibosh on that: 1. Lack of native / built-in support for full-disk encryption 2. Lack of a day-to-day usable web browser 3. Lack of the apps I regularly use on Linux and Windows (or good enough equivalents) 4. Lack of stability on the hardware I was using (Framework 11th Gen) It looks like at least one of those is no longer…

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Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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What are you doing on a daily basis that needs 3D graphics?

I love how the same thread cites a lack of full-disk encryption as a dealbreaker for daily-driving without criticism, but 3D graphics is immediately questioned.

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Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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I could not disagree more about Windows 95 looking "dated". It's one the clearest, simplest, and easiest to parse UIs I've ever seen. Buttons look like buttons. Scroll bars are thick and clear. Draggable objects are obvious. It's a huge shame that we've gone only backwards since then, IMHO.

I'll probably catch heat for this, but I think Windows 95 was the pinnacle of UI/UX design, and much of what we've done since have been regressions.

I disagree, but only slightly, Windows 2000 was my personal favorite, especially for its version of Windows Explorer.

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Related:

Haiku Activity and Contract Report, October 2023 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38273608 - Nov 2023 (12 comments)

Progress on running Haiku OS on VisionFive 2 RISC-V dev board - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35843775 - May 2023 (20 comments)

Haiku's (Kernel) Condition Variables API: Design and Implementation - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35690656 - April 2023 (16 comments)

Haiku package management - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34879304 - Feb 2023 (52 comments)

Haiku beta 4: a thing of beauty - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34338487 - Jan 2023 (38 comments)

Haiku R1/beta4 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34109349 - Dec 2022 (139 comments)

Lots more listed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34111732...

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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I agree. You knew visually what everything did. A button was a button and was noticeably off or on and things like that. I would put classic on for my XP UI I love it so much.

It was a very explicit interface. It was not as sexy as a 3D composited one, but it did not play peek-a-boo. Scrolling through a list, like downloads on a web page, you would see 20 or 30 line items, not two or three. It also worked on a slow CPU without a GPU. We have lost something since those highly-optimized 2D interfaces, from the same era as Super Nintendo Mode 7 affine transform and After Dark/Xscreensaver 2.5…

I can’t stand things that are hidden until I mouse over or click on them. Just draw everything and let me scroll

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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> Car radios and car A/C and heaters still use physical buttons. Depends on the car's year, make, and model. It could be touchscreen only.

That's fair. I haven't yet seen a car with only a touchscreen and nothing else, but I wouldn't be surprised by the existence of such a car. I don't actively keep up with new cars.

Tesla doesn’t have buttons for the aforementioned functions

Re: Haiku OS: The Open Source BeOS You Can Daily Drive in 2024

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Does that mean they have some accelerated video drivers now? Last I checked (maybe a year ago) there were none at all.

(Haiku developer here.) There is one hardware accelerated driver, for Radeon Southern Islands; but it's third-party, out-of-tree, and not particularly simple to set up and get running. So, not really.

Thanks for the response. Is there much hope for this to change at some point? I would love to eventually use Haiku on actual hardware, and the lack of video acceleration is the main thing that discourages me from giving it a go.
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