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Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by The_Colonel »

lwhi wrote: post #110
The_Colonel wrote: post #107

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Then please educate me: 1) for their own creative fulfillment. Generative AI makes no difference. 2) for enjoyment / appreciation from other people. Generative AI makes little difference here since the average person's art is likely to be mediocre with or without generative AI 3) as a way to earn their living. Here generative AI will make a difference in some art professions, but that doesn't seem to be the implied s…

If I copied everything that was unique about you as a person, and benefited from it .. how would you feel?

Generative AI can copy the style, if they's all you have as an artist, then it's barely art TBH. AI can't copy the thinking / motivation / juxtapositions behind the art.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by The_Colonel »

nomilk wrote: post #115
The_Colonel wrote: post #88

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I use a website with good night stories for children, the texts are written by humans, but the illustrations are AI generated. There's no consistency in style between stories and it doesn't matter. My daughter loves the illustrations.

This is really lovely. Care to share the site?

It's a Czech crowdsourced site: https://www.pohadkozem.cz/

It's ad-supported, low budget (cause small market). There's a new story every day, I don't think the site could afford to hire an illustrator (which would also cause friction in publishing).

There's just one picture in every story, but they usually look nice, and my daughter never forgets to ask to see it, seems to be a highlight for her. I think it's a great use case for generative AI.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by The_Colonel »

omnimus wrote: post #118
The_Colonel wrote: post #95

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> It builds token databases that it then regurgitates. Isn't pretty much all human art just regurgitation, recombination of prior art, audiovisual experience, emotions, human experience?

Exactly and LLMs dont have emotions, audiovisual experience, human experience or any experience at all. For humans its impossible to create same art as someone elses. For LLMs its impossible to create anything else than copy of art thats in its database. Even if you model yourself on someones work and try to replicate it the results will be different. Its not that artists want to always create work different from eac…

> Exactly and LLMs dont have emotions, audiovisual experience, human experience or any experience at all. > For LLMs its impossible to create anything else than copy of art thats in its database.

You forget that LLMs don't generate images out of its own volition. You need to prompt them. That's the injection of emotions, human experience, into the LLM. LLM provides technical means to create an image, the prompt author provides the idea behind the art, the composition, juxtaposition etc.

> Saying that art is “just” recombination of prior art is extremely dehumanising.

Based on your previous lines, you did notice that I mentioned "prior art, audiovisual experience, emotions, human experience", so I won't reply to that strawman.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by The_Colonel »

gumballindie wrote: post #123
omnimus wrote: post #119

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This humans are just stochastic parrots is marketing/narrative current “AI” companies use to avoid legal and image issues. Seems like its working on some people.

I am surprised by the cognitive dissonance these people exhibit. On one hand they confidently claim that humans are stochastic parrots, on the other hand they claim they dont know how humans learn and think. They claim ai is intelligent but dont know how to define intelligence. Right not with a high degree of confidence we can state that they are taking what’s not theirs, apply software to it, and resell it. Everythi…

> On one hand they confidently claim that humans are stochastic parrots, on the other hand they claim they dont know how humans learn and think. They claim ai is intelligent but dont know how to define intelligence.

I am surprised at the prevalence of building armies of strawmen here.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by lwhi »

The_Colonel wrote: post #131
lwhi wrote: post #110

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If I copied everything that was unique about you as a person, and benefited from it .. how would you feel?

Generative AI can copy the style, if they's all you have as an artist, then it's barely art TBH. AI can't copy the thinking / motivation / juxtapositions behind the art.

I'm talking about a human doing the copying.

I'm also talking about the way it would feel as a human.

You're jumping to conclusions.

Edit: You also didn't answer the question.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by hmcq6 »

The_Colonel wrote: post #130
hmcq6 wrote: post #112

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What are your thoughts on Fountain by Duchamp? When you read a book do you jump to the final chapter, read it, and then shut the book? Because it sounds like that's how you view art.

> What are your thoughts on Fountain by Duchamp? I don't think your comment really fits this thread, which is about why artists are creating art. But if anything, it strengthens the point. The art in the Fountain is not reproducible by generative AI, its existence therefore makes no difference.

"But if anything, it strengthens the point."

No, it really doesn't. The value in Fountain has nothing to do with the tangible piece of art itself. That's what I'm trying to communicate to you.

Attempting to boil "art" down to any one quantifiable aspect is impossible. That is the point of the anti-art like Fountain.

In other words, I disagree with your assumption that highly polished corporate art is superior to home made "mediocre" art. I grew up with TV shows like 12 OZ Mouse, Home Movies, Shin Chan, Tom goes to the Mayor, etc. If you think running those shows through generative AI would improve the shows... I would say again you don't understand what made that art good.

At best you could try to make a case for "death of the author" but I'm not sure if that principal applies to art that never had an author.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by JeffSnazz »

The_Colonel wrote: post #96
chmod775 wrote: post #74

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Our vision of the future used to be one where every unpleasant job is automated, and humans are free to pursue higher callings such as art. It's increasingly looking we'll all be working in construction, scrubbing floors, or performing maintenance on the machines that took our pleasant jobs. The saving grace is it'll probably be just 10 hour work-weeks.

I don't see how generative AI changes the situation. Most people would always face an uphill battle, producing mediocre art which only a few (likely with some personal connection) would appreciate.

> Most people would always face an uphill battle, producing mediocre art which only a few (likely with some personal connection) would appreciate.

Now there's no need to care about them at all!

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by JeffSnazz »

The_Colonel wrote: post #107
lwhi wrote: post #105

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You don't understand why people create art. You're viewing art as a commodity in a capitalist society.

Then please educate me: 1) for their own creative fulfillment. Generative AI makes no difference. 2) for enjoyment / appreciation from other people. Generative AI makes little difference here since the average person's art is likely to be mediocre with or without generative AI 3) as a way to earn their living. Here generative AI will make a difference in some art professions, but that doesn't seem to be the implied s…

> 3) as a way to earn their living. Here generative AI will make a difference in some art professions, but that doesn't seem to be the implied scenario of the comment I was replying to.

wat

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by ouraf »

Cloning a style doesn't replace an artist. the AI doesn't get things like proper lighting, emphasis, motion, perspective and, above all else, intention.

They're also not copyrightable. if you use an AI piece in your product, anyone can take it and make a competing product with the same piece or prompt chain.

They're good to replace crude doodles or making some references to have a real artist work on your idea, though. that way humans keep their jobs and machine improves the process.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by JeffSnazz »

The_Colonel wrote: post #131
lwhi wrote: post #110

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If I copied everything that was unique about you as a person, and benefited from it .. how would you feel?

Generative AI can copy the style, if they's all you have as an artist, then it's barely art TBH. AI can't copy the thinking / motivation / juxtapositions behind the art.

> Generative AI can copy the style, if they's all you have as an artist, then it's barely art TBH.

How could you possibly expect this sort of worldview to reflect well upon you as a person?

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