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A periodic table of visualization methods (2007)

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I ironically love this and think it's (un)intentially hilarious. It's basically everything people who think very seriously about infoviz warn about, crammed into a single terrible visualization on the subject of visualization. It's such an erudite accumulation of inexpert concepts it almost has to have been put together (paradoxically) by an expert in the field. I looked it up, and indeed it was put together by a cou…

Wait, is it parody? I would agree if it was, but I assumed it was serious, and kinda bad. Their “knowledge maps” page on the site looks similar - the examples are ugly & awful. https://www.visual-literacy.org/maps/ This all looks like it’s intended to be serious, considered good by the authors, especially considering the associated academic publication, and not some kind of intentionally funny commentary on bad visua…

oh my. Maybe it is? The university they're attached to seems to be a real, serious, school. But these examples are just...worst of the worst stuff. Inscrutable metaphors, wasted axes, variable fonts without meaning, organization schemes that make no sense...the tribute to Ben Shneiderman literally breaks most of his interface design rules and his goals and theories on infoviz. [1]

I understand that much of this material is relatively old, but we actually were better back then.

The "tell" to me (if this is parody) is the percent of the audience here who can't tell if this is serious, or good, or not.

Perhaps somebody should count the comments and put them in a pie chart inside of a pie store and call it "HN taste tests visual-literacy.org".

Okay, I'm calling it, this is a very inside joke page of some sort.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Shneiderman#Designing_the_...

Re: A periodic table of visualization methods (2007)

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Also a good meta example of picking a poor visualization method for the given data? This makes me curious -- Has there been any good application of "periodic table" as a visualization method for anything other than chemical elements? If we are thinking of a grid where "rows" and "columns" imply some common properties .. then I am sure there are a few examples of matrix / quadrant/ grid formats that help convey that.…

I think it's an amusing display of a bunch of different visualization methods. It's fun to browse. No need to take it more seriously than it takes itself. From their white paper conclusion: --- Our efforts in structuring the vast domain of visualization methods cannot be seen as a close adaptation of the periodic table of chemical elements. It is rather a functional, metaphoric homage to it. The choice of methods inc…

> I do accept that a not insignificant segment of HN users would much prefer a man-page-like display, all-text, no graphics, no css, no javascript-- even for a page about visualizations!

I like your glass-half-full positive take, but I’m not sure this is accurate; most posts on anything graphical that link to a github page have lots and lots of complaints about the lack of screenshots or examples. People overwhelmingly like pictures, especially on pages about viz, and parent wasn’t at all suggesting or implying not to use a picture, but maybe implicitly to use a better & more relevant picture. The question here is whether the periodic table metaphor offers anything of value to a collection of viz examples, or if it actually confuses the viewer by suggesting or implying some kind of meaning or organization when there is none. There’s not a small amount of irony in using a bad metaphor for visualizing something in an article that is specifically discussing how to use good metaphors for visualization, right?

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Also a good meta example of picking a poor visualization method for the given data? This makes me curious -- Has there been any good application of "periodic table" as a visualization method for anything other than chemical elements? If we are thinking of a grid where "rows" and "columns" imply some common properties .. then I am sure there are a few examples of matrix / quadrant/ grid formats that help convey that.…

periodic table of finite simple groups is pretty awesome https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/99brzy/the_periodic_t...

they're groups so symmetries are kinda what they do. There are families etc. in columns, with the final column being the generator. Then the sporadic groups are the rare earth elements which don't define a family of groups. order is increasing on the way down, and the very obvious cyclic groups are the noble gases equivalent.

Re: A periodic table of visualization methods (2007)

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The point of the periodic table is that it supplies important structural information about each object in the set.

Using the shape of the periodic table rather than its philosophy when the stated intent is to teach about appropriate data representation is an immediate wtf for me.

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Re: A periodic table of visualization methods (2007)

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Also a good meta example of picking a poor visualization method for the given data? This makes me curious -- Has there been any good application of "periodic table" as a visualization method for anything other than chemical elements? If we are thinking of a grid where "rows" and "columns" imply some common properties .. then I am sure there are a few examples of matrix / quadrant/ grid formats that help convey that.…

The International Phonetic Alphabet might be a good contender. There’s no periodicity, but the columns for the consonants roughly represent place of articulation. The spacial arrangement of vowels is even closer to where in the mouth the sound is formed.

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Also a good meta example of picking a poor visualization method for the given data? This makes me curious -- Has there been any good application of "periodic table" as a visualization method for anything other than chemical elements? If we are thinking of a grid where "rows" and "columns" imply some common properties .. then I am sure there are a few examples of matrix / quadrant/ grid formats that help convey that.…

When I was learning to read Japanese the Hiragana alphabet was displayed in a somewhat periodic table-esque format. The vowel ending sounds were the vertical axis (a,i,u,e,o) then next column was ka, ki, ku, ke, ko - then sa, shi, su, se, so etc.

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Also a good meta example of picking a poor visualization method for the given data? This makes me curious -- Has there been any good application of "periodic table" as a visualization method for anything other than chemical elements? If we are thinking of a grid where "rows" and "columns" imply some common properties .. then I am sure there are a few examples of matrix / quadrant/ grid formats that help convey that.…

>PERIODIC TABLES OF ALMOST EVERYTHING EXCEPT ELEMENTS https://www.pinterest.com/brianhousand/periodic-tables-of-al...

Absolutely brilliant. Thanks.
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