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Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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hnrhn wrote: post #114
JeffSnazz wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why I am extra vigilant, pendantic and strict when writing or reviewing code that handles exception and error paths. I realize that this is a different person from you, but that's the attitude I am replying to.

Perhaps the implication is not "extra vigilant ... [compared to my level of vigilance on the happy path]", but rather "extra vigilant ... [compared to other people I work or have worked with]" The latter is how I read it, because I have definitely worked on teams where the happy path was heavily scrutinised, but error handling was treated as an afterthought, and rarely inspected too closely, leading to anything from…

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Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by [deleted] »

hnrhn wrote: post #114
JeffSnazz wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why I am extra vigilant, pendantic and strict when writing or reviewing code that handles exception and error paths. I realize that this is a different person from you, but that's the attitude I am replying to.

Perhaps the implication is not "extra vigilant ... [compared to my level of vigilance on the happy path]", but rather "extra vigilant ... [compared to other people I work or have worked with]" The latter is how I read it, because I have definitely worked on teams where the happy path was heavily scrutinised, but error handling was treated as an afterthought, and rarely inspected too closely, leading to anything from…

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Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by JeffSnazz »

hnrhn wrote: post #114
JeffSnazz wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why I am extra vigilant, pendantic and strict when writing or reviewing code that handles exception and error paths. I realize that this is a different person from you, but that's the attitude I am replying to.

Perhaps the implication is not "extra vigilant ... [compared to my level of vigilance on the happy path]", but rather "extra vigilant ... [compared to other people I work or have worked with]" The latter is how I read it, because I have definitely worked on teams where the happy path was heavily scrutinised, but error handling was treated as an afterthought, and rarely inspected too closely, leading to anything from…

I don't tend towards expressing personal comparisons "in public" since they seem both inevitable regardless of the situation and disrespectful to bring up as a topic of interest—not to mention potentially exposing you as incompetent yourself. I guess not everyone else feels the same way.

Hell, I'm free now! Everyone I've ever worked with sucks donkey-dick for not coding how I do!

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by bni »

tussa wrote: post #117

Didn't Bill Gates "kill the command line" in a infamous video when Windows 95 came out?

I think it was DOS he killed. But I get what you mean. When Microsoft was completely dominating the IT landscape during the 2000's command lines was often sneered at by "Microsoft Certified Professionals"

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by apexalpha »

hooby wrote: post #100
bheadmaster wrote: post #10

Glad to see that Microsoft is making Windows more and more similar to Linux by every passing day :)

I really do not agree with this comparison. Yes, it is true, that on Linux there are many, many things which are best done through command line fiddling. But installing a system update, that update borking things, belching up a totally cryptic error message, and then forcing you to clean up the mess through the command line, is nothing something I've experienced on Linux so far. For me, apt updates have always been s…

>For me, apt updates have always been super reliable - and error messages have mostly been quite specific and easy to google.

Lmao, come on now.

"Error: unmet dependencies"

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by justsomehnguy »

trelane wrote: post #61
carlosjobim wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for if you want to use dual monitors, etc. etc. Every time I've tried Linux, I've had to dive into the terminal and paste commands from the internet to get normal things to work.

Only two monitors? I've no problem with more than that. I don't know what hardware you're using, but that's atypical.

"Works for me" (r)(tm)

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by hooby »

apexalpha wrote: post #125
hooby wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do not agree with this comparison. Yes, it is true, that on Linux there are many, many things which are best done through command line fiddling. But installing a system update, that update borking things, belching up a totally cryptic error message, and then forcing you to clean up the mess through the command line, is nothing something I've experienced on Linux so far. For me, apt updates have always been s…

>For me, apt updates have always been super reliable - and error messages have mostly been quite specific and easy to google. Lmao, come on now. "Error: unmet dependencies"

"Error: unmet dependencies"

I swear, I haven't run into this.

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by jstummbillig »

graemep wrote: post #112
jstummbillig wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you claiming that using Linux in 2023 will not pretty much require "command line fiddling" to some unavoidable degree (unless you have somebody else do the setup for you and day to day just use what's there)? Because, if so, that would very much not be my experience. Broadly speaking, what advancements am I likely missing out on?

Depends on distro and usage, but once installed Linux does not need command line fiddling. There are GUIs for installing and updating the OS and applications and pretty much everything else an average user does.

In that case I will have to disagree. I run a stock, up to date Ubuntu. Yes, there is a GUI for a lot of things, but I will most certainly run into something that will require me to drop to the CLI before long – which I am fine with, but I am not going to pretend it won't inevitably happen.

My experience is: On Windows, for most enduser use cases (and this absolutely excludes anything dev related), I would expect the user to get by without touching the CLI. In fact, I would assume that any given application will expose all of its functionality only through a graphical UI. For me, on Linux, the opposite expectation applies.

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by swells34 »

bheadmaster wrote: post #10

Glad to see that Microsoft is making Windows more and more similar to Linux by every passing day :)

I've never had an update issue on a Linux device. I update whenever I like, and have never been forced to. Occasionally some items fail due to dependency issues, the error messages are very descriptive, I handle the dependencies and move on with the update. Failed updates are a uniquely Windows issue in my experience, had something like 10-15 of them in my lifetime.

Re: Microsoft suggests command line fiddling to get Windows 10 update installed

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Post by swells34 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #108
hooby wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do not agree with this comparison. Yes, it is true, that on Linux there are many, many things which are best done through command line fiddling. But installing a system update, that update borking things, belching up a totally cryptic error message, and then forcing you to clean up the mess through the command line, is nothing something I've experienced on Linux so far. For me, apt updates have always been s…

> For me, apt updates have always been super reliable - and error messages have mostly been quite specific and easy to google. The ocean between. While you or me might appreciate a good error message and handy debugging options, the standard windows user experience is optimised to not confront users with errors at all. Either approach comes with its trade offs and is implemented with varying degrees of success.

Ah yes, the classic "if I can't see the bad thing, it doesn't exist" approach to problem solving.
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