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> intuitive and Pythonic "Pythonic" hasn't been "intuitive" for 15 years now. Even old-school Perl is more cohesive and coherent than modern Python.
Yeah that is why Python popularity is on the downward trend and Perl is the opposite /s
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> I could see it occurring someday "Someday" is on the order of decades here. By that time Rust will be a hoary legacy language with a list of warts longer than an ISO standard.
Nonsense, WG21 is committed to ensuring C++ has more warts and sharp edges than any other language on the planet.
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Thanks for calling my attention to that. I'll have to keep an eye on it.
Take it from me: I disagree with the BDFL of Nim about a lot, but him banning some of the people who are behind this fork was one of the best decisions he’s made. Stay far away.
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> C# is not more safe than Rust By design, Rust requires unsafe code to implement any non-trivial data structures (except trivial POD types). This applies to both Rust standard library, and third-party crates. The issue is not a theory, security bugs actually happened in reality. Here’s an example about the Rust standard library: https://shnatsel.medium.com/how-rusts-standard-library-was-v... By contrast, thanks to t…
> Rust requires unsafe code to implement any non-trivial data structures That seems like a gross overstatement. https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/library/std/sr... CTRL-F: unsafe Only one result, an optional utility function: "pub unsafe fn get_many_unchecked_mut"
There's far more unsafe there: https://github.com/rust-lang/hashbrown/blob/f2e62124cd947b5e...
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Take it from me: I disagree with the BDFL of Nim about a lot, but him banning some of the people who are behind this fork was one of the best decisions he’s made. Stay far away.
Why?
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Some context: dom96 here was the BDFL-in-2nd-command of Nim for quite some time. There is personal beef between dom96 and some of the primary nimskull contributors, which mostly involved a lot of name-calling, personal insults, and critiques of leadership and leadership effectiveness, that eventually lead to dom96 banning one of the aforementioned contributors, stalling quite a lot of interesting compiler work and pa…
It's no big reveal that I was involved and optimistic about Nim for a long time, though "BDFL-in-2nd-command" is a stretch for someone who couldn't even get the community to instate a Code of Conduct. That's one of the many many reasons I left. My many years of involvement with Nim is what I believe qualifies me to speak on the individuals in the forked project. That being said, I am no longer involved with Nim. I do…
It is perhaps notable that the nimskull project has a Code of Conduct (and a rather good one at that). I think it is indicative of serious intention to make a welcoming community, and I don't think that contributing members having had in the past what really struck me as personal grievances turning into open-air malice undermines that: particularly, such behavior would fall under the Code of Conduct itself. But again, I have not seen such behavior - quite the opposite! - outside of what happened between you two.
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It's no big reveal that I was involved and optimistic about Nim for a long time, though "BDFL-in-2nd-command" is a stretch for someone who couldn't even get the community to instate a Code of Conduct. That's one of the many many reasons I left. My many years of involvement with Nim is what I believe qualifies me to speak on the individuals in the forked project. That being said, I am no longer involved with Nim. I do…
Ah, I was referring to disruptek. I don't know why you two hated each other's guts, mostly due to being less active back then indeed. For what it's worth I didn't think the banning was undeserved: but the interactions you two had always struck me as strangely animus, and not anything like anything I've ever seen between him and anybody else, and certainly not between any other nimskull developers and anyone, ever. It…
I'm glad that their community has a code of conduct. It is unfortunate that members there have never applied those rules to their interactions with and about me, nor with many others they targeted in the Nim community.
For your clarity going forward: I did not ban him, though I was one of the people who advised and agreed with that course of action. All decisions on whether to ban someone or not were taken by Araq (at the time at least).
It surprises me to hear you say you have never seen him engage that way with anybody else, given that you acknowledge that his banning was deserved. If I recall he was banned for aggressive behaviour towards _multiple_ members of the community.
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I'm not sure the distinction is that clean, but isn't ubuntu still based off debian. As in, not a fork that went its own way, but a (big) collection of modifications on top of current debian?
Sounds like a fork with extra steps.
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He pretty much derailed the D forum forking thread into remotely related tech discussion. This was weird to observe tbo, in the end my take is that he doesn't seem to bother much and would rather continue living in his version of the story.
It's worth pointing out that Walter is one of two co-maintainers of the language. The other has not said anything at all. On the other hand, I'm not sure what there is to say if they're not going to make any changes in the process. I'm far more concerned about community development of libraries, IDE support, and the beginner experience (especially on Windows) than I am about changes to the language, which is already…
What changes would you like to see happen?