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What Was ISDN?

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Re: What Was ISDN?

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ISDN absolutely was exhilarating “technology from the future” during the 90s and even into ~2000 era just before general cable/DSL proliferation. It usually just worked consistently and at unbelievably high data rates vs theoretical “56k” even on 64kbit/s single channel. Meaning basically 2x IRL downloads vs 56k at usually tenable full hop bandwidth of constant 8kb/s. I kept being mesmerized by “just the basics” of I…

I got 2.2/1.1 mbit Adsl in 1997, it was awesome! Really helped me dominate in quake

Re: What Was ISDN?

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I launched RustNet in 1992 as "the first ISDN ISP in Michigan." We offered a blindingly fast internet speed of 125k! At the time Silicon Graphics had added an ISDN port to its latest workstation, which I had for the engineering design work we did. The launch of our ISP occurred at an industrial expo at Cobo Hall in Detroit. We were not set up yet so I talked to the product manager of the ISDN feature at SGI and he wa…

Another trick was to ask the ILEC for an alarm circuit between two premises, giving you a dedicated circuit via dry copper pairs between them.

I remember those days! I know a couple guys that got DSL over those alarm pairs.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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post #81

Obligatory reference — electronica legends the Future Sound of London (FSOL) [1] produced an album called "ISDN" that was originally broadcast over ISDN lines in 1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN_(album) It's an interesting relic of a specific cultural moment in time just before the Internet broke through. With ISDN, you could send a nearly hi-fi quality digital audio stream to anywhere in the world, but it wa…

I’m sure they played live via ISDN at least once..

Re: What Was ISDN?

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The article addresses the big miscalculation by the telecoms, as I see it, though somewhat obliquely.

In the telecom world, the telecom was the network. If you wanted to exchange data with someone, you placed a call to someone directly. Everything was envisioned as some form of point to point session between subscribers. Whatever it was, it was one subscriber contacting another. The telecoms didn’t really conceive of what would become the Internet as we think of it now. As far as they were concerned, the Internet didn’t provide anything the telecoms couldn’t offer—and bill for.

They were caught flat footed when customers started dialing up ISPs and cutting the telecoms out of the loop. If you wanted Internet, you got ISDN, but you used it to call an ISP that was not the phone company.

Not that the telecoms weren’t visionary — they largely foresaw everything we do today. They just assumed they would continue to be the sole provider of those services. They built a network with that in mind.

And then we all went and built our own network on top of that.

They scrambled to try to charge us for using our voice lines for data, and then they managed to slide DSL onto the rate card, and ultimately became actual ISPs.

But that wasn’t the future ISDN was built for. It wasn’t built for a world where an ISP was even a thing. It was built for a world where everything we now do on The Internet would show up as a line item on a bill from AT&T.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frame Relay was horrible, and the bane of our existence at the ISP. We had a wide variety of customer connections, from dialup to an honest-to-God 14.4Kbps digital leased line, to 56K and T-1 leased lines and some T-3s in our backbone. Our manager was a huge proponent of SMDS; in fact the SMDS diagrams made liberal use of the "cloud" icon to depict connections going in and out of the telco's switched network. He was…

FR was problematic because the FR networks were oversubscribed, which was actually one of the benefits of the technology. The tech support for FR was also lackluster at best. The nice thing about FR was that you could aggregate multiple connections on one piece of equipment and pay based on usage rather than committed bandwidth.

The over-subscription was definitely a problem. The ISP I worked for had a fractional T1 in their main POP for frame relay (512K or something?) There was about 4 to 5x in bandwidth needed for customer connections, assuming 100% utilization. During peak times in the evening, the FR was massively overloaded and ping times would get into the 100's of milliseconds (normally it was 10 to 15ms IIRC.) The connection never went down though, even when they were slow.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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That brings back fond memories. In high school (a long time ago), I coded up a client-server application in Perl/Delphi to utilize the ISDN D-channel to transmit small amounts of data by repeatedly dialing a destination, using the call initiation metadata to communicate, and then hanging up before the call got established.

In Europe at that time, every call (even local ones) started getting billed as soon as the dialed party picked up. So effectively, this allowed for fee-less small applications that didn't need much data, but that I wanted to invoke many times a day (think checking email, checking server status, IM, etc).

Re: What Was ISDN?

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Believe it was 1995 or '96. We had 20 remote sites connected with "128K" ISDN connections. There were a pair of PRIs at our main data center. Ascend PRI router (concentrator?) on one end, Ascend ISDN boxes at the remote site. (IRC, Ascend was formed by former Hayes modem engineers). Occasionally there would be issues bringing up a site and I would be invited (allowed?) into the Telco Central Office to troubleshoot. Standard ISDN troubleshooting tools were a laptop, a portable sniffer (Toshiba laptop with 96K of memory and Network General Ethernet adapter), a BERT tester and, occasionally an oscilloscope. For the more difficult sessions I would work with a remote Anixter engineer (before they were bought and screwed up by SBC) who was a veritable rocket scientist. We'd been running clean for a couple of years, and I was on vacation at Disney Florida with my wife and small children when I got the call that one of our supervisors had somehow managed to wipe the configs on the PRI boxes. I spent the next two hours on a bench under the Epcot ball walking one of our best desktop people through reconfiguring the boxes from memory. I do not miss ISDN, 56/64K, T-1, T-3, SONET. Currently running on privately owned fiber and never want to go back.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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ISDN was night and day. Had a 56k Zyxel before getting 64k ISDN. Speed wasn't much faster, but dialing was instant!

Channel bonded BRI was great at 128k and beat 56k connections handily.

The main problem in the 90s in Germany was that access points didn't offer that.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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The article addresses the big miscalculation by the telecoms, as I see it, though somewhat obliquely. In the telecom world, the telecom was the network. If you wanted to exchange data with someone, you placed a call to someone directly. Everything was envisioned as some form of point to point session between subscribers. Whatever it was, it was one subscriber contacting another. The telecoms didn’t really conceive of…

Imagine if instead of resolving a name to an IP address, it resolved to a phone number. Loading any modern webpage would take a week of dialing to fetch all the ads and trackers.

Re: What Was ISDN?

#130

The article addresses the big miscalculation by the telecoms, as I see it, though somewhat obliquely. In the telecom world, the telecom was the network. If you wanted to exchange data with someone, you placed a call to someone directly. Everything was envisioned as some form of point to point session between subscribers. Whatever it was, it was one subscriber contacting another. The telecoms didn’t really conceive of…

Imagine if instead of resolving a name to an IP address, it resolved to a phone number. Loading any modern webpage would take a week of dialing to fetch all the ads and trackers.

At least there would be an integrated payment system that works for microtransactions. Maybe we wouldn't have had the adweb.
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