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What Was ISDN?

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Re: What Was ISDN?

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I launched RustNet in 1992 as "the first ISDN ISP in Michigan." We offered a blindingly fast internet speed of 125k! At the time Silicon Graphics had added an ISDN port to its latest workstation, which I had for the engineering design work we did. The launch of our ISP occurred at an industrial expo at Cobo Hall in Detroit. We were not set up yet so I talked to the product manager of the ISDN feature at SGI and he wa…

I had ISDN in Southeast Michigan (bit north of Mt. Clemens) back in the late 90s and it was amazing. Being local, your stoy really caught my ear. I wonder about that timing, though, because 56K modems weren't available in '92. They didn't get to be a thing that people could buy until '97 or so, IIRC.

(I worked retail computer support at the time, and USRobotics did a neat sales presentation at Henry Ford Manor where, if we went to an "educational" session about the technology, we got a free modem. I already had ISDN by that time so I didn't really need it, but it was still neat. And a couple-hundred-dollar modem, for free, for a retail employee seemed like quite a perk.)

Re: What Was ISDN?

#92
Back around 1996 I was working for a non-profit rural digital project in Devon, Southwest England, called Project COSMIC. If I recall correctly there were 2 main types of ISDN in the UK at that time (a) on-demand, which was similar to dial-up, and needed an ISDN modem, or (b) leased line ISDN which was always on 24x7 and terminated in a Router. I was lucky enough at COSMIC to have access to a 64 Kbit/s ISDN leased line. As I recall it was insanely expensive, I think it was about £16,000 / year in 1996, and that doesn't include the initial install cost where they had to drag a cable across the fields and install poles.

On the end of COSMIC's leased line, after the Bay Area Networks router, we had a simple Ethernet Hub, a Windows NT 4.0 Server, and several Windows 95 desktops. We used IIS to serve websites and email for customers from the NT server, and all the machines had public IP addresses without a firewall - the Internet was a different place back then!

A few years later ~1999 they upgraded to a 128 Kbit/s ISDN leased line, I think costs had decreased and the additional capacity did not cause a large jump in price. It was brilliant! Many games of Quake were hosted ;-)

Later in around 2004 I worked for a company that had a leased line, but they used an entirely different technology - LES10 (10 Mbit/s) - but it had a range limitation and so you had to be within perhaps 10 KM of your ISP.

Of course, just before that, around 2000/2001 some parts of the UK started to get ADSL trial role-outs. I was lucky enough to be at University in one of the first areas (Derby), and we were able to get a 1 Mbit/s connection for about £50 / month which we shared between 5 of us in our student house. After that I didn't see ISDN around much, and LES10 was a pretty niche use-case anyway.

Today I am happily sat on the end of a 100 Mbit/s consumer microwave connection for about €30 / month.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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I had ISDN back in 1996 and it was great. It felt dramatically faster than a 56k modem because ISDN has much lower latency. Web pages were so simple in those days they loaded almost instantly.

Upstream mattered a lot for responsiveness. This was really before the idea of ACK Prioritization [1] TCP connections, so the standard small upstream of 56K had an impact that didn't quite get felt as much as it did on symmetric ISDN.

Most things silently incorporate ACK prioritization now, which makes the typical asymmetric internet connection like a cable modem work better. But before then, it was a problem... And those of us who hand-solved it on DIY firewalls really reaped the rewards.

[1] http://www.benzedrine.ch/ackpri.html

Re: What Was ISDN?

#94
In my CCNA training in 2007ish we actually got to use an ISDN simulator of some sort. It was a large physical box. I think you can buy them on eBay still.

Pretty sure this is no longer on the CCNA unfortunately. Maybe just a small mention.

Re: What Was ISDN?

#95
I've been using ISDN in Italy in the late 90's at home and it was great... Many didn't know its potential, but even the fact I could use a router that connected to both lines and automatically dropped one once a call was mad or coming, made my life way better...

And before ADSL become a thing, having a 128k symmetric digital connection with low ping was a dream!

Re: What Was ISDN?

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Obligatory reference — electronica legends the Future Sound of London (FSOL) [1] produced an album called "ISDN" that was originally broadcast over ISDN lines in 1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN_(album) It's an interesting relic of a specific cultural moment in time just before the Internet broke through. With ISDN, you could send a nearly hi-fi quality digital audio stream to anywhere in the world, but it wa…

Great album, BTW, one of my favorite. You can kinda hear this cultural moment in the music itself: Some of the sounds they use are rather primitive by modern standards. But other parts are really complex and nuanced.

So you get some sense of a transition of digital technology from novelty into mainstream.

You also get a cyberpunk vibe, a lot of it is dark and harsh, but at the same time organic and beautiful. It's not as abstract like Autechre's music, this is definitely about humans, but in a weird environment.

Re: What Was ISDN?

#97

I had ISDN in South Africa for a while back in the day. Aside from the higher throughput, one of the other great things about it compared to analogue dial-up modems was the almost instant connection speed while old analogue took tens of seconds, maybe even a minute. But the biggest thing that really made it feel “responsive” was its digital nature, meaning that your baseline latency was mere sub-10 milliseconds inste…

Amazing.

Do you know if Telkom offered ISDN around ‘95 thru to ‘01?

My parents had “two lines” back then so we could always have access to the Internet, even while talking on the phone. I recall, vaguely, using dial up but we may have had an ISDN line. In part, because my Dad wanted to order LaserDiscs from the US while my Mom was chatting away to family.

Re: What Was ISDN?

#98
I used ISDL, a related technology based on ISDN operating at the same bandwidth, for a few years in Colorado in the early 2000's. It was the only thing better than dialup at the time. The ISP was Megapath Networks. Still have the Efficient 5871 IDSL modem somewhere.

Always on, static IP address. It was easily the most reliable service I have ever used, then or since. The latency was astonishingly low as well. But 128Kbps wasn't adequate and I moved on when I could.

Re: What Was ISDN?

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post #95

I've been using ISDN in Italy in the late 90's at home and it was great... Many didn't know its potential, but even the fact I could use a router that connected to both lines and automatically dropped one once a call was mad or coming, made my life way better... And before ADSL become a thing, having a 128k symmetric digital connection with low ping was a dream!

My folks and I moved to a town outside Naples in 2000 and had a 128kbs symmetric ISDN. I remember it being fantastic. A huge upgrade from our 56k in the states at time of nascent Napster and online gaming.

Re: What Was ISDN?

#100
I had an ISDN line in my home that, somehow, had a direct connection to the intranet of my employer at the time, Infoseek. Not sure how this was all arranged, but it was just like having a very long wire that went to my employer. Someone in Infoseek's IT department set it up.

Sometime after, DSL replaced this. And I used some form of DSL until, eventually, cable modems became cheap and fast and available in my area.

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