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Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

skrebbel wrote: post #114

Vaguely related question for the gurus: are all Windows (/ Linux) laptops still hopelessly behind Macbooks in terms of speed? (since Apple announced the M1 and followups I mean) I’m trying to figure out if a laptop like this one is worth the lower cpu speed

Apple's primary advantage is being the first on TSMC's new process nodes, which generally yields a modest but not enormous performance advantage on single thread, no advantage for multi-thread (because Apple's CPUs have fewer cores), and only lasts for a few months before AMD is on the same process.

At which point the results look like this:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/R9-7945HX3D-vs-M2-Max_15073_14...

Which is to say, on the same process node the M-series is slower.

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

jychang wrote: post #125
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apple captures 60% of profits on its devices while the factory that builds them in China captures only 2%. now you know why foxconn had suicide nets.

To be honest, this changes my mind on the situation. I've always tried to follow the money; those who control the money flow control all the power. Is it a situation where Apple is squeezing the suppliers? I'm aware Walmart has very predatory practices with their suppliers, so something similar?

> Is it a situation where Apple is squeezing the suppliers?

yes. brutally.

from: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iph...

> "Apple engineers told that Chinese iPhone suppliers and government officials have a "whatever it takes" approach to win iPhone orders, work was often completed weeks ahead of schedule at "inexplicable speed". In India, [we] are not running at this pace. "There just isn't a sense of urgency," one Apple engineer remarked."

when you allow your supplier only 2% of the cuts. of course the ones at the bottom will be squeezed mercilessly. and apple maintains its huge margins.

https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple#Safety_prob...

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/china-ap...

https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/09/apple-a...

https://chinalaborwatch.org/somethings-not-right-here-poor-w...

https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/09/key-apple-supplier-pegatron-c...

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/15/tech/apple-iphone-india-w...

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/fire-apple-supplier-pega...

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by akkad33 »

I have an early zen book pro with a touch bar screen and although the laptop is well built I never used the touch bar screen. If I were to do it again I'd spend a bit extra and get a Mac because I find Mac's have better battery lives

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by blagie »

sxp wrote: post #21

A similar device is the Lenovo Yoga Book 9i. The next gen model was shown off at CES and is coming out in a few months. That one also has a 180 degree hinge unlike the Asus model which can't be fully flattened. I've seen good reviews about the first gen model and might get the new one if I get a laptop this year. https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/yoga/yoga-2-in-1-seri...

Every non-Thinkpad Lenovo I've had, or a relative has had, has the build quality of a cheap toy, and eventually, some part of the plastic case would crack, a hinge would fail, or similar.

I'd absolutely never buy another one ever.

I'm not looking to buy a new laptop for many years, and I hope a Thinkpad version comes out before then. This is very much a design I appreciate. For now, from the photos, I think Asus did it better, though.

Hopefully, by that point, they'll also be 4k displays. My current laptop has 4k, which is very competitive with dual 3k.

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by blagie »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10
bozhark wrote: post #6

Why does ASUS hate GPUs? They got rid of anything above a 4070 in the 2024 models of the G series. And this is a dual 120Hz OLED screen device powered by an Intel ARC integrated GPU?!

Have you seen the thickness and power bugdet of this laptop? How do you expect a 4070 to work inside that? It's for productivity, not for gaming, and for that the latest Intel iGPUs are more than enough.

Not for me!

I started buying beefy GPUs when LLMs became a thing.

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by makeitdouble »

chx wrote: post #129
makeitdouble wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gen3.1 PD standard goes up to 240W [0]. 140W should be available with it. Of course it also requires gen3.1 cables, so the "which cable do I have" game is still going on. [0] https://blog.ugreen.com/power-delivery-3-1/

I have, by and large, stopped unrecommending ugreen since they stopped lying about certificates and now got real NRTL certs for most of their chargers but still how on earth do people find ugreen of all places even for technical explanation? Astounding blogspam! https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd

google only gave me local links (non english blog spam) and that was the most decent among duckduckgo's results.

My search situation and skills aren't in good shape.

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by blep-arsh »

mirsadm wrote: post #107
vitiral wrote: post #51

Just a service announcement: you can get an external monitor that is charged and driven by a single USB-C for about $100 which weighs about a pound. Feels like it would get 90% of what I want out of a setup like this.

You can buy an OLED touchscreen monitor for $100? People that are happy with Frankenstein setups will always find a cheap way to replicate a product while ignoring all the downsides of a home grown replica.

More like $250 for a 16" 500 nits 4K OLED with a touch sensor and questionable color accuracy.

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by seb1204 »

LegitShady wrote: post #50
jph wrote: post #9

I just saw this in the wild, and talked with the user, who programs 3D AR/VR content. I saw the dual screen in use with the top screen for a VR scene and the bottom screen for code. The user's interactions among the two screens and keyboard were seamless. The screen colors were vibrant and rich, even in bright light. Based on what I saw, I would definitely try it for typical office use or even for typical website pro…

My laptop lets me connect my $100 external portable monitor to my computer via usb-c. I can't fold it in crazy ways like this but I have an IPS panel and dual monitors and it only cost me $100. And when I don't need to have dual monitors I just put the second one in my bag, or leave it home.

Can you please share a link/name of your monitor? I'm curious

Re: Asus Zenbook Duo 2024

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

blagie wrote: post #135
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the thickness and power bugdet of this laptop? How do you expect a 4070 to work inside that? It's for productivity, not for gaming, and for that the latest Intel iGPUs are more than enough.

Not for me! I started buying beefy GPUs when LLMs became a thing.

You are not the targe demographic for such a laptop. There are other gaming machies with GPUs for your use case. Just add a portable USB-C display to them if that's what you were missing.
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