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"Gangbang Interviews" and "Bikini Shots": Silicon Valley’s Brogrammer Problem

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Re: "Gangbang Interviews" and "Bikini Shots": Silicon Valley’s Brogrammer Problem

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Post by rmc »

theorique wrote: post #41
dipthegeezer wrote: post #27

Well you still have job adverts from big boys like twitter saying 'responsible enjoyment of beer' as a prerequisite. https://twitter.com/jobs/positions?jvi=ooE7VfwO,Job If that's not appealing to the frat boy crowd then I don't know what is. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people don't actually drink ( I know hard to believe! ), or have a life that doesn't involve drinking all the time. As someone who's been th…

There's a radical difference between a grown up workplace that sips a couple of high quality microbrews at Friday happy hour (my most recent workplace), and a frat house doing keg stands. And there's a lot of room in between the extremes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a social culture that enjoys a few beers after a hard day of work. On the contrary, it builds bonds between co-workers and leads to better wor…

It would obviously exclude Muslims, so might be viewed as discriminatory.

Re: "Gangbang Interviews" and "Bikini Shots": Silicon Valley’s Brogrammer Problem

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Post by rmc »

sp332 wrote: post #72
dipthegeezer wrote: post #27

Well you still have job adverts from big boys like twitter saying 'responsible enjoyment of beer' as a prerequisite. https://twitter.com/jobs/positions?jvi=ooE7VfwO,Job If that's not appealing to the frat boy crowd then I don't know what is. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people don't actually drink ( I know hard to believe! ), or have a life that doesn't involve drinking all the time. As someone who's been th…

It's a "plus", not a prerequisite. I really don't see a problem with that one? I used to work at Dean Kamen's DEKA (the place that made the Luke arm and the Segway). It was very un-frat boy crowd. Some Fridays were declared "Beer Friday" and at 4 PM everyone would shuffle into a room and have a couple beers and converse about their projects and ideas.

I really don't see a problem with that one?

It excludes Muslims? Religious based discrimination is illegal.

Re: "Gangbang Interviews" and "Bikini Shots": Silicon Valley’s Brogrammer Problem

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Post by rmc »

dipthegeezer wrote: post #27

Well you still have job adverts from big boys like twitter saying 'responsible enjoyment of beer' as a prerequisite. https://twitter.com/jobs/positions?jvi=ooE7VfwO,Job If that's not appealing to the frat boy crowd then I don't know what is. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people don't actually drink ( I know hard to believe! ), or have a life that doesn't involve drinking all the time. As someone who's been th…

It also would exclude Muslims, and could be viewed as religious discrimination.

Re: "Gangbang Interviews" and "Bikini Shots": Silicon Valley’s Brogrammer Problem

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Post by Tichy »

rmc wrote: post #338
RandallBrown wrote: post #303

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Sexism isn't the main reason that women aren't in computing. Sure, it's a reason, but it's not even close to the biggest one.

Oh? What's the biggest/bigger reasons?

Women have better options than sitting in front of computer screens in badly lit environments all day.

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Post by batista »

danilocampos wrote: post #260
batista wrote: post #132

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>a) These "jokes" are beyond unacceptable. Well, I accept them 100%. And millions of people too, if I judge from every comedy show, comedy movie, joke book, etc.

> Well, I accept them 100%. I think that says more about you than it does the jokes.

Yes, it says a lot. For example that I can take a joke, that I don't agree with the PC hysteria, that I am not a prude, that I like free speech to remain so even if its my opponent that's doing the talking, etc.

It also says that I don't like progressive squares and prudes as much as I don't like far-right nuts and prudes.

It also says that I'm not for censorship and hypocrisy.

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Post by batista »

jsprinkles wrote: post #271
batista wrote: post #174

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> A conference isn't Comedy Central Presents, is it now? That's a roomful of people who came to learn, not to watch you hobble through an offensive routine. If I buy tickets to see Lewis Black, I know what I'm getting into, and Lewis Black isn't representing his startup at a trade show. Well, the distinction is not that clear cut, since humor belongs to every time in life --and especially in public gatherings and pre…

> Let me assure you that it's totally irrelevant and BS with respect to who I am (or anybody else you judge that way is). So your outward behavior has nothing to do with who you are? That sounds worse: you sound like an actor. Honestly, you sound more devious than the backstabber you described, because you'd like others to believe that how you act does not describe you, and you sound like you're up to something. How…

>So your outward behavior has nothing to do with who you are?

No, SUPERFICIAL sings of outward behavior have nothing to do with who we are.

And pop psychology BS interpretations of them, have even less.

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Post by EvilTerran »

chc wrote: post #319
EvilTerran wrote: post #284

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You threw insults at whoever downmodded you -- you baselessly asserted that they're ignorant, hiding from their feelings, and only downmodding you because you made them uncomfortable. That's a pretty dramatic reaction to someone taking away some of your imaginary internet points. Sure, it's not complaining or whining per se , but it has exactly the same effect -- whining and insults are, by their nature, intended to…

There was nothing to disagree with. What I said was entirely factual. The only conceivable reason to downvote without comment (aside from being utterly irrational) was being upset by those facts. And yes, I was upset — that people were reacting out of ignorance. It wasn't that I was downvoted, but what the downvotes signified, so I wanted to particularly call attention to the secondary issue I had observed.

Okay, fair enough. I've let frustration at people on the internet adversely affect my replies far too many times myself. I know XKCD is terribly cliché, but I've taken to keeping "Internet Argument" [http://xkcd.com/438/] in mind. I find it helps ... ish.

I agree with the nobility of wanting to call people on inappropriate downmodding ... it just doesn't usually work as an edit to the downmodded post. No matter how hard you try, it'll almost always sound like either whining or agression. Just like trying to point people to the guidelines almost always sounds like rudeness or condescension. Sometimes you just can't win. ;)

... you know, on any other online community, I'd expect us to be flinging crap at each other like angry monkeys at this point. Even the disagreements on HN are refreshing.

Peace.

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Post by paulhauggis »

MartinCron wrote: post #302
paulhauggis wrote: post #297

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My problem with your line of thinking is that as more and more people are silenced because of insensitivity, our freedoms are eroded away. What he says is insensitive, by why can't we just be adults and ignore it? After all, pretty much any article on HN involving legalizing MJ offends me, but I wouldn't go to my HR department if I heard people talking about it in the workplace. Or are you saying I should? When does…

I agree with Phillip Pullman when he says that "nobody has a right to never be offended." and that people should be free to say things that may be offensive, especially on their own time . The simple fact that you've been offended isn't reason to go to HR. You go to HR if you're being harassed or if people are actively creating a hostile work environment. It correlates with being offended, but it's not exactly the sa…

"If people were harassing you about your MJ legalization stance (or anything, for that matter), then it probably would be appropriate to go to HR about."

I'm not talking about being harassed. I'm talking about just mentioning it. Just like the girl that wrote that bot that was here on HN and just like the discussion here. Using the term "gang raped" isn't being harassed personally.

It doesn't end here because people will go to HR and get you fired for just mentioning something they deem "offensive".

That's why I talk about silencing. Some people just can't ignore it and want to get the other person silenced. This same type of person has gotten radio hosts fired as well.

I've seen this happen in almost every workplace where I've worked in the past 10 years.

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Post by EvilTerran »

uncoder0 wrote: post #335
EvilTerran wrote: post #126

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I tire of this facet of postmodern culture whereby one can avoid being held to account for one's character flaws and unpopular attitudes by hiding forever behind a veil of ambiguous "irony". Make a claim in a possibly-ironic tone; see how your audience takes it; if they seem to agree with your overt sentiment, become unambiguously sincere; if they seem to disagree, become unambiguously ironic. Either way, you can ada…

I also find this quality quite disgusting however, I am commenting because I found your diction refreshing.

Thank you. I've had the idea I expressed in that post gestating in my mind for some time now, so I guess the vague notions were already more-or-less crystallised into crisp phraseology before I even started typing.

To be honest, I was worried I'd get uncharitably compared to Will Self. But then, I always get that feeling when tempted to use the word "postmodern", so I thought I might as well go with the flow and let the pretension fly. ;)

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Post by kls »

azov wrote: post #288
kls wrote: post #205

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I would argue that with developers, the cost of a false negative is higher. It is just that most companies don't understand the loss walking out the door. Interviews are fraught with 1001 ways to get a negative from a top 10 developer. The cost of hiring a bad one and figuring out they are bad is about 2 weeks pay, the cost of passing over a quality developer is the loss of a rare find and probably that developers so…

2 weeks pay? How is it supposed to work? I believe you are basically stuck with a bad hire for at least one performance review period, plus some time on top of that. Anything less and you have a potential wrongful termination lawsuit on your hands.

Quite a few organizations hire on a contract basis for a period of time to ensure that it is going to work out for both parties. It's fairly standard practice to avoid committing to the unknown on both sides.
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