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Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by jules »

Smerity wrote: post #42
Erwin wrote: post #29

Compare with SoftLayer which has decided to charge through the nose for their RAM upgrades: going from 16 to 64GB RAM on their E5 servers is an additional $1200/month. They're far more expensive than e.g. Rackspace there for some reason.

I haven't looked at SoftLayer's offerings re: RAM but the most important thing to note with Hetzner is that only some of their dedicated machines have error-correcting code (ECC) memory. Hetzner's 16GB machine[1] (89 Euros/month) has ECC memory for example. Whilst this might not sound like an enormous issue, DRAM errors are surprisingly common in real deployments[2] and can result in scary things happening to your da…

How common DRAM errors are is very unclear. The numbers in that paper are astronomically high, but other sources have published numbers that are 30x or 100,000x or literally 10,000,000x lower.

See this Stanford ee380 talk: http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/100922-ee3...

The part about DRAM errors is about 57 minutes in.

Abstract here: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/Abstracts/100922.html

Also, AFAIK most hosting providers don't even have ECC ram as an option for servers, e.g. Amazon.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by ihsw »

ksajadi wrote: post #45

If it is possible to run a hosting service as cheap as this, why is there none like it in the US? I thought the labour, tax and VAT costs in Germany should make it less competitive but this is just way cheaper than anything you can find in the US. Does anyone know of any similar offerings in the States?

RAM allocation is the baseline for determining monthly pricing and their product page specifically mentions DDR3 RAM, which generally costs 50% the price of DDR2 RAM.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by meskyanichi »

Purchased an EX 4S (32gb ram non-ecc) the other day from Hetzner, been running extremely smooth. They got it rigged up in about 2-4 hours. Installed Xen to run my own little VPS farm and it's dirt cheap compared to all the VPS providers out there, and more performant as well since you actually own the underlying hardware.

Just noticed they also added "1 Gigabit-Port" under "Additional Options" at only 39 EUR, along with an additional 15TB bandwidth increase (You get 100Mbit by default), and only 6.90 EUR for additional TB's of traffic. Pretty sweet if you're doing some kind of video/stream hosting. Of course it has it's downsides compared to S3 but when you compare pricing in "TB" to S3, you'll see how redonk the S3 pricing is. Now, if only Hetzner was also located in the US and Asia that would complete me.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by justincormack »

jules wrote: post #61
Smerity wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't looked at SoftLayer's offerings re: RAM but the most important thing to note with Hetzner is that only some of their dedicated machines have error-correcting code (ECC) memory. Hetzner's 16GB machine[1] (89 Euros/month) has ECC memory for example. Whilst this might not sound like an enormous issue, DRAM errors are surprisingly common in real deployments[2] and can result in scary things happening to your da…

How common DRAM errors are is very unclear. The numbers in that paper are astronomically high, but other sources have published numbers that are 30x or 100,000x or literally 10,000,000x lower. See this Stanford ee380 talk: http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/100922-ee3... The part about DRAM errors is about 57 minutes in. Abstract here: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/Abstracts/100922.html Also, AFA…

Do you have a source on Amazon not using ECC?

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Post by [deleted] »

rmoriz wrote: post #18
supo wrote: post #15

How is this possible? With the HW and operational costs they have to be in deep minus.. Eg linode.com is considered good and they seem to be more expensive by an order of magnitude. Can somebody tell me what the catch is?

Hetzner AG is highly profitable. They have to publish a balance sheet at http://www.bundesanzeiger.de/ (German only) Annual net profits: 2008: 4.077.791,31 € 2009: 4.448.824,49 € 2010: 8.925.128,81 € Accumulated profits: 2008: 9.030.980,10 € 2009: 13.479.804,59 € 2010: 22.404.933,40 € key facts: - cheap energy + human resources by building custom colocation facilities in regions where cheap cooling+power is available…

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Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by ulope »

ashleyw wrote: post #38

Their VPS service looks fantastic also: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix_vserver/vserv... Their 2GB plan is 3x cheaper than Linode…and you get over 4x the data transfer! Does anyone know how the performance compares?

I and several of my clients use quite a few of those and I'm very happy with the performance. IO performance is very good (especially for a virtualized system) for example apt-get update / upgrade takes less time on one of those than it does on a dedicated root server of mine (Core i7 Quad, 8 GB Ram, 7.2 kRPM SATA).

Any other specific questions?

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by jules »

justincormack wrote: post #64
jules wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How common DRAM errors are is very unclear. The numbers in that paper are astronomically high, but other sources have published numbers that are 30x or 100,000x or literally 10,000,000x lower. See this Stanford ee380 talk: http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/100922-ee3... The part about DRAM errors is about 57 minutes in. Abstract here: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/Abstracts/100922.html Also, AFA…

Do you have a source on Amazon not using ECC?

I was not able to find Amazon declaring that they don't, but neither do they say anywhere that they do. For example they describe the hardware specs here: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/ If they did have ECC RAM it is unlikely that they would keep it secret, especially given that ECC RAM can be twice as expensive.

Re: European server provider Hetzner now offers a 64GB RAM box for 109€/mon

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Post by EwanToo »

justincormack wrote: post #64
jules wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How common DRAM errors are is very unclear. The numbers in that paper are astronomically high, but other sources have published numbers that are 30x or 100,000x or literally 10,000,000x lower. See this Stanford ee380 talk: http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/100922-ee3... The part about DRAM errors is about 57 minutes in. Abstract here: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/Abstracts/100922.html Also, AFA…

Do you have a source on Amazon not using ECC?

I don't think there's a confirmed source, but there's certainly indications, for example, an AWS post that they use ECC memory for the GPUs in their cluster GPU instance

http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2010/11/new-ec2-instance-type-the...

Given that they list both the standard memory and GPU memory next to each other, but only put ECC next to the GPU memory, it seems relatively likely to me that the standard server memory is not ECC.

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