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Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by stjohnswarts »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #7
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

yeah anything to get them to start being an engineering company again instead of a "let's squeeze all we can out of this profit center and not listen to our engineers"

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jbverschoor wrote: post #43
eropple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a 2022 report, trivially searched-for on Google: > According to the Federal Aviation Administration, more than three dozen instances of cracked windshields have been reported by airlines over the past five years. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article260551697.html

https://avherald.com/h?search_term=cracked+windshield&opt=1&... Most of them are Boeing it seems: 14x Airbus 35x Boeing 5x Bombardier 3x Embraer

those don't mean much with out at least a "out of X planes from manufacturer Y"

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by EasyMark »

irrelative wrote: post #82
dontupvoteme wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate how many people hold a dim view of (nu)boeing

Or perhaps you overestimate how many people hold any view of Boeing at all.

or even saw the story. Tech nerds tend to pay a lot more attention to the news than most by a large margin in my experience (other than people that are actually in the journalism business)

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by rootusrootus »

1letterunixname wrote: post #62
rootusrootus wrote: post #44

We've now reached the stage where every non-story is interesting because it has "Boeing" in the headline. While you think this hurts Boeing's reputation, I'm not at all sure that's how it plays out. It desensitizes people and reminds them that the news is just about clicks and outrage. Then they'll not be paying much attention if there is real newsworthy revelations. The fact that it's getting so many upvotes on HN i…

Are you a Boeing stock owner? The buzz is deserved because 20 documented, serious deficiencies in the 737 MAX have escaped widespread press. Furthermore, few people are aware of the 737 NG Ducommun scandal. The rot at Boeing stretches back to the 90's.

> Are you a Boeing stock owner?

Nope, just someone rational who has a passing interest in aviation, and knows that broken cockpit windows are pretty routine. They do get tracked, of course, and if you look at that you'll find that every manufacturer is well represented.

I have no appreciation for emotional clickbait outrage news and I hate to see it on Hacker News. I'd like our community to hold itself to higher standards.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by justinclift »

eastbound wrote: post #104
notahacker wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cockpit windows are also manufactured by a third party specialist glass company (i.e. PPG Aerospace, not Boeing), cost about the same as a new car precisely because they get subject to the sort of stress that is inclined to break a layer, and subject to regular inspection. Plus in this case it appears the other layers of the window did their job and avoided anything more than an annoyingly expensive but routine retur…

So in summary, Boeings break down like MacDonnells[1], but it’s not Boeing’s fault, it’s the fault of the entire ecosystem, but not Boeing, just everyone involved with Boeing, we get it. Entire denial of ownership of problems should be patented as a business model. So that no other manufacturer can copy it for 20 years. [1] McDonnell planes were known for falling apart, doors flying in the air, lengthened planes whic…

Hadn't heard of that incident before, so looked it up:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/flaming-concorde...

Everyone on board died. Damn. :(

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