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Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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Emergency communications are a big deal, because they let you go places you couldn't go before without being utterly afraid. I wonder if this will change people's behavior at all. Like, I've always wondered how LEDs affected peoples perception of nature, now that there's no longer any "Really dark scary night where you need to manage an actual fire" times. 20 years ago people still lit candles a lot of the time, if t…

The funny thing is that it's just a perception change. You'll be able to message emergency services 200 miles from civilization that you need help and they still won't get to you in time. Everyone makes a big deal about emergency services with this, and I'm sure it will save some lives, but I wonder if it will actually have a significant impact. Surely we're just shifting the weakest link to emergency service respons…

What's going to happen is, people will end up with a false sense of security, they will fall victim to the marketing of this, go out into the wilderness, get lost and emergency services will be flooded with SOS calls and have to urge the public to stop going and doing dumb stuff.

A similar thing happens in Australia, Google telling people to take dangerous roads, people do it not thinking "oh this road looks remote and dangerous" and either die or need rescuing. Governments have been erecting warning signs which say, "Do not follow your phone down this road".

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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Most of the emergencies I hear about are things where you probably won't die for at least a day or two, and some of these places are only a 20 minute drive from the nearest police station, just hidden behind a hill or something from the cell tower. The most experienced people probably aren't gonna die unless something really bad happens where minutes count, but the rest of us might have issues like "Hey I followed Go…

I know of someone who died on a generally safe day hike. People had to hike out and then drive to get cell service for a rescue. If it was a few months later, an iPhone likely would had saved it. It was never reported in the news.

Genuinely curious, how would the iPhone have saved them ?

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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I wonder if this service will facilitate collapse of censorship in dictatorship countries like China and Russia. Especially if those countries are currently suffering from economic depression like China and Russia, and its citizens are waking up to its harsh realities and are keen to get unfiltered information

The problem isn't the lack of access, the problem is China and Russia are doing an awesome job of using Western infrastructure against us and their own people even when using products like Facebook and YouTube.

When people do end up on these platforms, they see a bunch of pro Russia and China stuff anyway.

Do you log into Facebook and feel the freedom right away?

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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13km diameter.. which is about 133km².

LTE user count limits per cell is like 500 to 1.5k, and 133km^2 is on par with Liechtenstein(160km^2, 40k population), so like, 7Mbps shared among top 1 - 3.75% of Liechtensteinians? That sounds prestigious...

Densely populated areas and even relatively rural areas will have regular cell towers. This is for the few people out of range at any given time, and also outdoors. 1-3.75% sounds plausible I guess? And there are plenty of much less populated areas than Lichtenstein.

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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Manufacturers have no incentive to update it with new features. Their incentive is to require you to buy a new phone to get those features even if the old hardware could theoretically support it.

Google seems to be pretty happy to provide updates. If my phone lasts 8 years I'll be even more likely to buy another Pixel after that time. Especially when they are making money continually the whole time by selling everyone's data, even if you could keep the same phone for 20 years.

Google likes to keep the platform software up to date to put pressure on other Android OEMs to do the same. But in terms of consumer facing features they love to make them exclusive to newer hardware for no technical reason. For example many pure software features of Google Camera. It's pure planned obsolescence.

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It makes me wonder how Inmarsat's new stockholders are feeling right now. $3.3B in 2019... https://spacenews.com/inmarsat-delists-from-stock-exchange-a...

Viasat owns them now, those owners immediately resold the company for billions in profit.

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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I know of someone who died on a generally safe day hike. People had to hike out and then drive to get cell service for a rescue. If it was a few months later, an iPhone likely would had saved it. It was never reported in the news.

Genuinely curious, how would the iPhone have saved them ?

Presumably referring to iPhone 14+ satelite emergency texting https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213426

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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I don't know if this has been announced before: "Operators in our network have access to reciprocal global access that allows their users to access the service when they travel to one of our partner countries." [1] It sounds like once SpaceX has partnered with at least one carrier in most countries then you'll be able to travel to almost any point on the surface of the Earth and still have baseline emergency cell tex…

Here I wished Mint Mobile didn't get consumed by a giant. If they got their hands into this it would have made them a technical leader. I do hate how all telecommunications devolve into three or less monopolies price fixing. I go to any other country in the world and pay less for cell service. Then again the coverage needed for rural parts of the US probably make service hard.

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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> I don't know if this has been announced before... When they announced the original deal with T-Mobile, they said that T-Mobile would handle the (spectrum) license for the US and they're looking for a partner in other countries with the appropriate spectrum licensing. US T-Mobile customers would have access to this SpaceX service in any country where there is a partner with the spectrum license. https://www.t-mobile…

I disagree that Apple's capability is similar. The feature only allows texting emergency services, requires holding the phone in a specific orientation to send or receive, is separate from your carrier service (only two years are free with purchase), and is exceedingly slow. SpaceX's service will allow texting and receiving texts from anyone using your carrier number, plans to support third party messaging apps such…

And works on any phone and not just iPhone

Re: Starlink Successfully Tests Space Direct to Cell Mobile Service

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I think the advent of Chat GPT makes this announcement that much more significant. Until recently, always-available, extremely-low-bandwidth, text-only communication was interesting, but not that interesting. You could use it in emergency situations or to talk to friends, depending on how low-bandwidth we're talking about, but that's about it. You couldn't use it for internet browsing or to look up information you mi…

Love the idea of telegram-style communication with the extremely chatty ChatGPT. "ChatGPT, get me instructions for building an emergency igloo." "Igloos are used to shelter from extreme cold stop Building an igloo is a vital survival skill stop ..." "Just get to the point!" "My apologies for the confusion stop Here are the fourteen steps to building an igloo..." In all honesty, I love ChatGPT, but you'd have to penal…

A many decent open source LLM mostly fit in cell-phone sized hardware, eliminating the need for remote chatGPT
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