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Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by ianbicking »

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #43

Can anyone share artistic projects that have used generative AI? Where it is used as a tool, and not as a goal. ie something that’s not: - Poster/illustration where stock photo would have been used beforehand - NSFW - Experiments trying to display model quality (like on /r SD) The closest I’ve found so far was Rock paper scissors (found from HN) [0], but it’s unclear if it was really less work than usual CGI/animatio…

My example is kind of trivial, but I've used Midjourney with its --tile option to make backgrounds for web pages. One case is an internal tool where I just wanted to spice up the homepage and so I put in a rotating background, and another is a game where I put in one of ~50 backgrounds based on the environment.

I don't think many people use the tile option in Midjourney, but it's fun because it's not easy to make tiling images, and the result is generally aesthetic and not representational so the AI aspects are fine.

I have a friend who is using Midjourney to illustrate some instructional material she's writing. It's a little like stock photography, though without AI she wouldn't have used stock photography, and the art itself is more like graphical design. She keeps it fairly abstract but has artists and themes she uses consistently (lots of Ezra Jack Keats). She's probably creating dozens of images to get one usable one. But both of us enjoy the process, there's something a bit meditative to making Midjourney images sometime... a quirk of their Discord interface too, I suppose. Dall-E is much more instructable, but doesn't have any feeling of flow.

I've toyed recently with the idea of creating a massive number of pre-built avatar images for NPCs: https://hachyderm.io/@ianbicking/111740198056655468 – for my use case the most consistency I need is to change the age of characters, which works well with a fixed seed and no other pose changes. I'd probably use Stable Diffusion because Midjourney isn't scriptable and Dall-E is too expensive and lacks controls for aspect ratio and seeds. Obviously lots of people do live character image creation, but the cost and operational complexity kind of annoys me.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by hmcq6 »

The_Colonel wrote: post #107
lwhi wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't understand why people create art. You're viewing art as a commodity in a capitalist society.

Then please educate me: 1) for their own creative fulfillment. Generative AI makes no difference. 2) for enjoyment / appreciation from other people. Generative AI makes little difference here since the average person's art is likely to be mediocre with or without generative AI 3) as a way to earn their living. Here generative AI will make a difference in some art professions, but that doesn't seem to be the implied s…

What are your thoughts on Fountain by Duchamp?

When you read a book do you jump to the final chapter, read it, and then shut the book?

Because it sounds like that's how you view art.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by numpad0 »

The_Colonel wrote: post #86
gumballindie wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not against using machine learning, nor am i against companies doing so. What I dont want is stolen property, which a lot of ai currently relies on.

Generative AI are trained on "stolen property" the same way as human artists are trained on "stolen prolerty". Both study previous masters, learn to copy their styles, "inspire" their own art from some combination of existing styles.

This argument never worked, but it continues to becoming less popular with more cases of more patchwork-y images getting generated and distributed.

Humans after all can't after all generate accurate logos even when intended, GenAIs trivially do. They're not the same even by that.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by zen928 »

hmcq6 wrote: post #112
The_Colonel wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then please educate me: 1) for their own creative fulfillment. Generative AI makes no difference. 2) for enjoyment / appreciation from other people. Generative AI makes little difference here since the average person's art is likely to be mediocre with or without generative AI 3) as a way to earn their living. Here generative AI will make a difference in some art professions, but that doesn't seem to be the implied s…

What are your thoughts on Fountain by Duchamp? When you read a book do you jump to the final chapter, read it, and then shut the book? Because it sounds like that's how you view art.

Do you need to have the validation from others that your art exists for you to want to create it? If I read every book by only jumping to the final chapter, am I interpretating the work incorrectly or am I not interpretating it how you specifically look for it to be validated?

I keep photographs of moments as memories, eventually I'll collage them together, maybe I'll do this a few times to develop a style that I enjoy. For the argument, say that it looks horrendous but in a consistent way that I like. This collection and its output have significance to me and to others I'd share it with because of the attachment to the reflection of my identity, not because it was something I created "correctly". If AI art was generated of every moment of my life and done in the same style, it wouldn't have value not because it was made incorrectly, it wouldn't have value because it has no personal meaning to anyone.

If you view art without meaning to others being less financially valuable as an attack on all creative work, I don't think you view art much better.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by nomilk »

The_Colonel wrote: post #88
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #43

Can anyone share artistic projects that have used generative AI? Where it is used as a tool, and not as a goal. ie something that’s not: - Poster/illustration where stock photo would have been used beforehand - NSFW - Experiments trying to display model quality (like on /r SD) The closest I’ve found so far was Rock paper scissors (found from HN) [0], but it’s unclear if it was really less work than usual CGI/animatio…

I use a website with good night stories for children, the texts are written by humans, but the illustrations are AI generated. There's no consistency in style between stories and it doesn't matter. My daughter loves the illustrations.

This is really lovely. Care to share the site?

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by weregiraffe »

WA wrote: post #41
imhoguy wrote: post #18

Dunno, I feel sad about artists a bit. I hope they won't stop creating. I am sick of these flashy AI fakes.

Imagine you are an artist and have a specific style and one day you wake up and the computer program that ripped off your style gets credit for that particular style, as in "4000 midjourney artistic styles". Horrible.

Style is not copyrightable. It is not, in fact, "yours" to begin with.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by pxoe »

CaptainFever wrote: post #77
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #43

Can anyone share artistic projects that have used generative AI? Where it is used as a tool, and not as a goal. ie something that’s not: - Poster/illustration where stock photo would have been used beforehand - NSFW - Experiments trying to display model quality (like on /r SD) The closest I’ve found so far was Rock paper scissors (found from HN) [0], but it’s unclear if it was really less work than usual CGI/animatio…

- Spiderman: Into The Spiderverse (slightly, seems to be in-house): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n12kHKvesc - Everything Everywhere All At Once (Runway AI): https://variety.com/2023/artisans/news/artificial-intelligen... Two massively popular films recently that used generative AI.

lineart tweening is not the same as generating a complete piece of imagery. seeing this used as a 'look, they use ai! ai good' thing is quite dumb.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by omnimus »

The_Colonel wrote: post #95
gumballindie wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you are not familiar with how ai and machine learning work, and that’s okay, but ai doesn’t “study” and most certainly doesn’t “inspire” itself. It builds token databases that it then regurgitates. There no resemblance of human behaviour, just a simulation. Software always did that.

> It builds token databases that it then regurgitates. Isn't pretty much all human art just regurgitation, recombination of prior art, audiovisual experience, emotions, human experience?

Exactly and LLMs dont have emotions, audiovisual experience, human experience or any experience at all.

For humans its impossible to create same art as someone elses. For LLMs its impossible to create anything else than copy of art thats in its database.

Even if you model yourself on someones work and try to replicate it the results will be different. Its not that artists want to always create work different from each other its actually impossible for them.

Saying that art is “just” recombination of prior art is extremely dehumanising. Its like saying are ideas are just recombination of the ideas before… ok so general theory of relativity is just recombination of caveman thinking about fire and finding out how to create it?

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by omnimus »

The_Colonel wrote: post #109
gumballindie wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It, but that’s irrelevant. AI doesnt learn as a human does.

We don't know that much about how exactly the humans learn and how AIs learn. Both are still to a degree black boxes. But you're asserting that in case of AI training it's "stealing property", but imply it's not stealing for human learning. I think you need to substantiate this claim/difference. "Humans learn differently from AIs" is not enough.

This humans are just stochastic parrots is marketing/narrative current “AI” companies use to avoid legal and image issues.

Seems like its working on some people.

Re: Midlibrary: Library of 4000 Midjourney artistic styles

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Post by KolmogorovComp »

jmilldotdev wrote: post #64
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #43

Can anyone share artistic projects that have used generative AI? Where it is used as a tool, and not as a goal. ie something that’s not: - Poster/illustration where stock photo would have been used beforehand - NSFW - Experiments trying to display model quality (like on /r SD) The closest I’ve found so far was Rock paper scissors (found from HN) [0], but it’s unclear if it was really less work than usual CGI/animatio…

https://www.bcad.one/project/7 we produced a connection card game in a couple of months end-to-end using AI. text is a true mixture of our ideas and GPT's 'ideas'. we gave GPT the vibe we wanted, let it generate tons of new stuff, then we heavily curated and remixed it. art is created and curated by various AI tools. it does not rely on any particular artist's style. we bootstrapped the game using our own money, and…

Not to diminish your visuals, but this is typically a non-artistic case of generative AI, where it was only used to cut costs, not by choice.
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