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Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint

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Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint

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Post by gampleman »

xvector wrote: post #80
latexr wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the "as easy to withdraw as it is to give" setup would be kept in such a situation I think. Debatable. Let’s say the base fee was 1€ and premium was 1000000€. Not many people could afford the latter. Even if it were 25€, or 10€, or even lower, as long as there’s any price discrepancy, one is not as easy as the other.

Who cares? No one is making you use Facebook. It is totally okay to walk away and say "nah, I don't want to be tracked." You can consume alcohol and various drugs in the EU but can't say yes to consenting to tracking. Absolutely absurd.

There are plenty of jobs where not using Facebook is not an option. "You could just get a different livelihood" is generally above the threshold of when the legal system considers it "forcing" someone. Don't like working 14 hour days? Just get a different job... is not how worker rights work (at least in Europe).

Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint

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Post by matheusmoreira »

difosfor wrote: post #3

I also applaud this and personally would prefer to just pay for services instead of being the product, but I'm afraid this is not a popular opinion. People don't want to pay, at least not knowingly. I'm curious how this will play out.

If you pay them, you don't cease being the product, you actually become an even better product. Now they know you have more than enough disposable income to pay them not to annoy you with advertising and tracking noise. That's actually the exact sort of person whose attention advertisers want. People with surpluss money and the willingness to spend it on stuff they don't actually need.

The answer to advertisers and suveillance capitalists is technological blocking of their monetization attempts while simultaneously leeching their "free" services. You want the value they extract from you to be zero or negative. It should cost them money until they cease and desist.

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Post by happytiger »

guappa wrote: post #29
happytiger wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here here. Paying no longer protects anything. If anything, you’re more valuable as a data brokered account if you’re KYC verified as a real person: so in fact the opposite case is now often the reality. Consider that paying makes you prime rib for Sunday dinner from a data perspective: card verified PII. And do not forget that you can be assigned an ID and disassociated from your data, which can then be tracked anon…

*hear hear

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/ubjbvc/what_...

Indeed. A mistyped phrase missed by both my sleep addled self and my annoying spell checker.

Rather than be defenseive (fore I gaudere gehrehte), let’s reflect on this moment to enjoy the fact that “we have over two thousand years of records of old people claiming that language has already peaked.”

Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint

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Post by matheusmoreira »

afsag wrote: post #35
difosfor wrote: post #3

I also applaud this and personally would prefer to just pay for services instead of being the product, but I'm afraid this is not a popular opinion. People don't want to pay, at least not knowingly. I'm curious how this will play out.

Since running a business costs money, the only result that will satisfy organisations like noyb is that companies like Facebook disappear from the EU. You will read many people here in HN openly saying how they would like social media to disappear, not only for themselves, but for everybody else, including those who enjoy it.

Count me in. I openly say that I would like social media to disappear. I think they're a net negative for society in general and a massive step back for the web in particular. The web was not meant to be concentrated in a bunch of trillion dollar corporation websites.

Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint

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Post by xvector »

hyggetrold wrote: post #90
xvector wrote: post #74

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I wish we could ban this kind of argument on HN. It is so short-sighted and absolutely ignores reality for everyday folks who are totally uneducated about tech (and don't care to be). It always strikes me as a 'caveat emptor' argument (Latin for "let the buyer beware") and smacks of condescension. "Fuck yeah I'm ripping you off, why are you so stupid as to let me do it?"

People in the EU can consent to doing hard drugs, but somehow they can't consent to giving their data away?

Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint

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Post by replygirl »

tagyro wrote: post #62
replygirl wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

those who believe the above are mutually exclusive, and those who develop social infrastructure

Do I understand correctly that you consider facebook "social infrastructure"? I really hope the fog will lift one day and you'll see the actual impact of facebook (and others), here's one example https://www.afterbabel.com/p/international-mental-illness-pa...

yes and no--i do believe facebook is social infrastructure, but i was not referring to facebook

i already agree with you but if you ever come across me again on here please don't try to evangelize at me

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