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Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by EGG_CREAM »

eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

You’re fighting human nature if you think people aren’t going to be hyper attentive to things like this after the (latest) Max 9 incident. Also, it is not in any way “very bad.” In fact, it’s very good. Plane makers should believe one faulty decision could completely ruin them, that’s how they should be attacking any engineering problems related to putting people in the air. Clearly Boeing’s leadership is ok with putting profits before safety, they need to be shown there is no profit without extremely tight safety margins.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by hef19898 »

ta1243 wrote: post #39
lolinder wrote: post #34

The plane in question was JA56AN [0], which according to PlaneSpotters.net was delivered in June 2009 [1]. Forbes [2] indicates that the service life of a fight deck window is ten years (it's not clear if that applies to the windshield as well as passenger windows)—if that's accurate, it's likely that this is completely unrelated to Boeing's significant manufacturing problems lately. Unfortunately for Boeing it doesn…

Boeing made a business decision to brand a new model as a "737". They wanted to trade of the reputation of the 737. Instead they tarnished it.

Branding didn't really matter. The MAX had to be a 737 for certification and crew training.

Boeing cut corners during development, MCAS. And it seems that they are cutting corners as well in manufacturing, supplier management and quality insurance.

There is nothing to funny about any of that.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by PedroBatista »

eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

Funny, because the broad non-attention is what lead us to the situation we are in now.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by ginko »

Mainan_Tagonist wrote: post #23
feverzsj wrote: post #6

Recent 737 accidents remind me of the famous Aloha Airlines Flight 243.

As long as it doesn't remind us all of the ill fated JL123 flight...

Reading the wikipedia page on that one is horrific.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by JimBlackwood »

jbverschoor wrote: post #43
eropple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a 2022 report, trivially searched-for on Google: > According to the Federal Aviation Administration, more than three dozen instances of cracked windshields have been reported by airlines over the past five years. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article260551697.html

https://avherald.com/h?search_term=cracked+windshield&opt=1&... Most of them are Boeing it seems: 14x Airbus 35x Boeing 5x Bombardier 3x Embraer

Does Boeing also have more plans in service and/or more flights?

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by bmitc »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #40

Here we go. The inevitable mainstream media freak-outs over the usual background noise of airplane issues. This is how I know my YouTube recommendations are going to be extra awful for a while.

Big deal. It's Boeing's fault. Maybe they and the airlines shouldn't have defrauded the public and regulators. If they hadn't, this would indeed be in the background noise.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by ReptileMan »

EGG_CREAM wrote: post #51
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

You’re fighting human nature if you think people aren’t going to be hyper attentive to things like this after the (latest) Max 9 incident. Also, it is not in any way “very bad.” In fact, it’s very good. Plane makers should believe one faulty decision could completely ruin them, that’s how they should be attacking any engineering problems related to putting people in the air. Clearly Boeing’s leadership is ok with put…

>Plane makers should believe one faulty decision could completely ruin them

In that case nothing will ever be done, improved or innovated. The optimal is close, but greater than zero on faulty decisions.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by EGG_CREAM »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #30
eterm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not defending Boeing. I've said elsewhere I wouldn't fly on a max. I'm attacking the way in which the media (and audience, the media is mostly just chasing ratings) gets obsessed about a topic to the exclusion of other stories, only to dramatically flip-flop around and completely dump a topic once it's bored of it.

Are you new here? (Jokingly...) I don't know what percentage of HN is about AI & LLM in the past few months but it's like nothing else important is happening in the ICT world.

It’s not just HN, you all seem to be upset with basic human nature here. Something happens, and then you notice related events more often because they feel more salient. You might as well be upset that people recognize patterns, it’s just part of how people are wired.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by discordance »

jbverschoor wrote: post #43
eropple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a 2022 report, trivially searched-for on Google: > According to the Federal Aviation Administration, more than three dozen instances of cracked windshields have been reported by airlines over the past five years. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article260551697.html

https://avherald.com/h?search_term=cracked+windshield&opt=1&... Most of them are Boeing it seems: 14x Airbus 35x Boeing 5x Bombardier 3x Embraer

For a fair comparison, this should be measured against flight hours per manufacturer

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by kube-system »

jbverschoor wrote: post #43
eropple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a 2022 report, trivially searched-for on Google: > According to the Federal Aviation Administration, more than three dozen instances of cracked windshields have been reported by airlines over the past five years. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article260551697.html

https://avherald.com/h?search_term=cracked+windshield&opt=1&... Most of them are Boeing it seems: 14x Airbus 35x Boeing 5x Bombardier 3x Embraer

And until last year, most of the planes in the sky were also Boeing. And the Boeing planes in the sky, on average, are older.
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