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Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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This happened a few times to 737. With picture https://twitter.com/HawaiiNewsNow/status/1658175996925734912 Another one. https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Avelo-flight-from-Tw... It's not specific to 737. 787 also had a bunch of cracked pilot window issues not related to external impact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eemw9RNkU_k

It's also not specific to Boeing. All airplanes get cracked windows sometimes.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

I wholeheartedly agree. They need to get an aerospace engineer back at CEO and not some MBA optimizing for quarterly reports. People are absolutely dying because of an incoherent understanding of the value chain. The decision to outsource may please Wall Street for three months but it certainly hurts the brand in the long term. Boeing is in the business of R&D and production. That’s their value add. Fuck the investor…

The previous CEO was an aerospace engineer. As was the CEO who moved the company's headquarters from Seattle to Chicago. So I'm not sure an engineering background is any guarantee they'll do better.

But perhaps the company's recent problems will give an engineering-minded CEO a little more leverage to steer the company back toward engineering excellence, even in the face of pressure from the board and shareholders.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Well how often do cockpit windows of passenger aircraft crack?

From a 2022 report, trivially searched-for on Google: > According to the Federal Aviation Administration, more than three dozen instances of cracked windshields have been reported by airlines over the past five years. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article260551697.html

https://avherald.com/h?search_term=cracked+windshield&opt=1&...

Most of them are Boeing it seems:

  14x Airbus
  35x Boeing
  5x  Bombardier
  3x  Embraer

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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We've now reached the stage where every non-story is interesting because it has "Boeing" in the headline. While you think this hurts Boeing's reputation, I'm not at all sure that's how it plays out. It desensitizes people and reminds them that the news is just about clicks and outrage. Then they'll not be paying much attention if there is real newsworthy revelations.

The fact that it's getting so many upvotes on HN is kind of sad, but not unexpected.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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post #27

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> Fuck the investors, they're literally killing people epitaph of the new century. from water that makes your teeth black to illegal drug trials in poor countries. corporations are amoral by design and we have to assume they will do literally anything to make a buck.

>from water that makes your teeth black ???

Tried to google it and found something about tap water with high iron content.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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The plane in question was JA56AN [0], which according to PlaneSpotters.net was delivered in June 2009 [1]. Forbes [2] indicates that the service life of a fight deck window is ten years (it's not clear if that applies to the windshield as well as passenger windows)—if that's accurate, it's likely that this is completely unrelated to Boeing's significant manufacturing problems lately. Unfortunately for Boeing it doesn…

Boeing made a business decision to brand a new model as a "737". They wanted to trade of the reputation of the 737. Instead they tarnished it.

Further, they allowed the old planes to tarnish the reputation of the new ones. If they had made of completely different brand name, then a 10-year-old 737 wouldn't get mixed up with a new plane.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wholeheartedly agree. They need to get an aerospace engineer back at CEO and not some MBA optimizing for quarterly reports. People are absolutely dying because of an incoherent understanding of the value chain. The decision to outsource may please Wall Street for three months but it certainly hurts the brand in the long term. Boeing is in the business of R&D and production. That’s their value add. Fuck the investor…

> Fuck the investors, they're literally killing people epitaph of the new century. from water that makes your teeth black to illegal drug trials in poor countries. corporations are amoral by design and we have to assume they will do literally anything to make a buck.

It's a toxic relationship. "I fund you so I decide whether you matter or not"

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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"... Flight 1182 was en route to Toyama airport but headed back to the Sapporo-New Chitose airport after the crack was found on the outermost of four layers of windows surrounding the cockpit, the spokesperson said ..." Hopefully people can tell routine maintenance issues from newsworthy improper design and implementation / manufacturing problems.

> Hopefully people can tell routine maintenance issues from newsworthy improper design and implementation / manufacturing problems.

100 upvotes and counting. There's your answer.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Right now any bad news related to a 737 is fatal to the brand, regardless of how common or uncommon the incident may be.

Or the opposite. Now people will become desensitized and assume it's just more clickbait.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of just Boeing, that makes sense. In the broader 'news' context, it's bad, because there are a crapton of things that really aren't as significant as they are made out to be to the layman. It's not a firehose we should be drinking from, instead, the most significant things are supposed to be selected by specialists so we have enough space in our heads to focus on things we choose to instead of just wha…

We don’t in fact drink from the firehose. There are actually specialists who select what stories we are exposed to. The simple fact is that their incentives of politics and profits don’t align with yours of general knowledge and a peaceful learned population, and what we see today is the end result of these incentives.

Specialists who carefully wield their HN up votes to make sure you see stories like this one...
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