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Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by adastra22 »

cbhl wrote: post #19
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

AS1218 is probably not the cause of extra attention to airplanes _in Japan_. They had arguably much worse events on Jan 2 (landing JAL516 A350 crashed into a earthquake relief Coast Guard DC-8 on landing; killed 5, and both aircraft caught fire).

Sure but that had nothing to do with the intrinsic safety engineering of either plane.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by eterm »

cbhl wrote: post #19
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

AS1218 is probably not the cause of extra attention to airplanes _in Japan_. They had arguably much worse events on Jan 2 (landing JAL516 A350 crashed into a earthquake relief Coast Guard DC-8 on landing; killed 5, and both aircraft caught fire).

It's the cause of extra attention of "Hacker news" to this story, which otherwise wouldn't be paid much attention outside of regional news.

Instead right now it's the #1 story on HN.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by mmaunder »

eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

Agreed this is a nothingburger but the side effect of having a spotlight on Boeing is helpful. There are fundamental changes needed at Boeing to move the finance guys off the helm and move engineering back into leadership roles.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by oneplane »

jsiepkes wrote: post #17
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

> This hyper selective attention is very bad. > because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed. They knew that was a risk when they started cutting corners. Now they are paying the price. Can't say I feel for them. It's a nice deterrent.

In the context of just Boeing, that makes sense.

In the broader 'news' context, it's bad, because there are a crapton of things that really aren't as significant as they are made out to be to the layman. It's not a firehose we should be drinking from, instead, the most significant things are supposed to be selected by specialists so we have enough space in our heads to focus on things we choose to instead of just whatever happens to be getting firehosed at us.

(you can probably elaborate the 'selected by specialists' with complete departments or even organisations that specialise in various things - the world is much too big and made of too many pieces for just some person or small team to do all the 'is this thing important' work for everything, and definitely not in a single outlet)

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by gvedem »

williamcotton wrote: post #14
genocidicbunny wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

I wholeheartedly agree. They need to get an aerospace engineer back at CEO and not some MBA optimizing for quarterly reports. People are absolutely dying because of an incoherent understanding of the value chain. The decision to outsource may please Wall Street for three months but it certainly hurts the brand in the long term. Boeing is in the business of R&D and production. That’s their value add. Fuck the investor…

> Fuck the investors, they're literally killing people

epitaph of the new century. from water that makes your teeth black to illegal drug trials in poor countries. corporations are amoral by design and we have to assume they will do literally anything to make a buck.

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by sph »

eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

This is how journalism and social media have been working in the Internet Age: keep bombarding people with the topic du jour because it sells (or it is easy HN karma), and then move onto the new thing.

For many, like OP, Hacker News is the place to post random news that have nothing to do with computers or hacking. (I blame HN's vague and simplistic guidelines that allow "anything that our users might find interesting")

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by shagie »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #7
eterm wrote: post #2

This is one of those stories that wouldn't be noticed if not for the attention on anything Boeing related right now. Instead it's near the top of the front-page. This hyper selective attention is very bad. It leads to all kinds of wrong inference about the background frequency of events, because suddenly when under the microscope we notice all kinds of things that would have previously gone unnoticed.

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-increase-oversight-...

> Jan. 12, 2024, 8:07 AM CST / Updated Jan. 12, 2024, 8:54 PM CST

> The Federal Aviation Administration will increase its oversight of Boeing production and manufacturing, the agency said Friday, one day after announcing it had opened an investigation.

> The FAA says it will audit Boeing's 737 Max 9 production line and its suppliers "to evaluate Boeing’s compliance with its approved quality procedures."

> The results of the initial audit will determine whether additional audits are needed, the agency said.

> "It is time to re-examine the delegation of authority and assess any associated safety risks," FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said in a statement.

> ...

The linked statement: https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-increasing-oversight-boeing...

Re: Japan ANA Boeing 737-800 flight turns back due to cockpit window crack

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Post by whynotmaybe »

eterm wrote: post #20
Solvency wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a weird point to make. Does Boeing need your defense? In real life this is what happens. Bad students. Repeat offenders. Criminals. Neverdowellers. Their actions get spot lit and they're put under a microscope I don't see how making a stink over Boeing's constant little problems isn't a tiny cosmic balancing act against their decades of negligence.

I'm not defending Boeing. I've said elsewhere I wouldn't fly on a max. I'm attacking the way in which the media (and audience, the media is mostly just chasing ratings) gets obsessed about a topic to the exclusion of other stories, only to dramatically flip-flop around and completely dump a topic once it's bored of it.

Are you new here? (Jokingly...)

I don't know what percentage of HN is about AI & LLM in the past few months but it's like nothing else important is happening in the ICT world.

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