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Same here. This video was interesting to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQyubd9ARc&t=60s in it you are asked to shout "I like crickets" and then to whisper "I like crickets" again, in your mind and not out loud. The presenter then claims, "The volume is the same because you can't change the volume of the voice in your head, only the tone and pitch." My experience of trying this is that I can produce the phrase…
> The presenter then claims, "The volume is the same because you can't change the volume of the voice in your head, only the tone and pitch." Very interesting, and not at all true for me. I can imagine shouting "I like crickets" with a near ear-splitting level of volume, tantamount to the force of a storm with a shockwave. Imagine an anime scene where a character is radiating power, arms raised into the air, like Sau…
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In Chinese, if you just put 'big' and 'small' together, you get 'size', and if you just put 'big' and 'not big' together, it means 'Is it big?'. By the same token, juxtaposed memories are questions or suggestions. I think it's the logic before logic.
That's a really interesting tidbit about Chinese. Can't think of anything similar in any language I know, though. Does remind me of those primitive languages where the word for "forest" is just the word for "tree" repeated two or three times.
Come to think of it, Chinese does that too: 'forest' is '森林'.
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I think "hearing" the voice is the confusing part, or only. Hard to know if it's a difference in the phenomenon itself or in how people characterize and perceive it. To me the question is about thinking conversationally. Internal dialogue. Whether or not that dialogue is perceived as sound is perhaps interesting, it's not hard to imagine it working differently. Written language exists. Sign language. Non-auditory lan…
What do you mean by "internal dialogue" here? To me a dialog would mean some back-and-forth, some difference of opinion or two individuals sharing ideas that one side doesn't have. Does your inner voice have autonomy, does it want things separate from what "you" want? Is it in any way "other" from you? Apologies if these seem like dumb questions. I have never heard a voice in my head so it's a bit like a monochromati…
> Does your inner voice have autonomy, does it want things separate from what "you" want?
...Almost. I'm aware that it's all me. All my voice. By nature of dialogue, I cn sometimes feel like there's a "me" and a "voice" sometimes. But, it's quite fluid. Which one is which can reverse. I also try to use "me" or "I" instead of "you" or "we." Feels more sane... to me.
Just imagine a person having a conversation or debate with themselves out loud. It's similar to that.
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This is so earth shattering to me. I'm completely unable to actually "see" anything when I imagine it, but I think I can visualize in the sense of recalling or imagining how it would look. Do people actually close their eyes and hallucinate or am I reading way to far into this?
I think there's some of that over-reading. In these exchanges the language typically gets sloppy and one person's "see" gets translated and reacted to as whoa, with their eyes? . If you can imagine a red car and see it in your mind's eye (fairly ephemeral, especially if you force it, and nothing like as vivid as a hallucination) I think you're pretty normal from having followed a few of these threads over the years.
I know the distinction both from comparing with dreams, where I do see, and with a single experience during meditation (which I've tried many times but so far failed to replicate). They're nothing alike what it is to "imagine" for me.
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It goes beyond that, I think, in that many of us have gone most of our lives believing others used this language metaphorically, and assigning a meaning to these words. I was about 45 by the point I realized most people to varying degrees actually meant that they saw things when imagining them. And so to me it's not that there no thought behind it, because I do something when I "imagine" something, just not the same…
This is so earth shattering to me. I'm completely unable to actually "see" anything when I imagine it, but I think I can visualize in the sense of recalling or imagining how it would look. Do people actually close their eyes and hallucinate or am I reading way to far into this?
Only 2-4% or so see nothing at all.
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I think there's some of that over-reading. In these exchanges the language typically gets sloppy and one person's "see" gets translated and reacted to as whoa, with their eyes? . If you can imagine a red car and see it in your mind's eye (fairly ephemeral, especially if you force it, and nothing like as vivid as a hallucination) I think you're pretty normal from having followed a few of these threads over the years.
If you have aphantasia, you can't "see it in your minds eye", but that does not mean I can't imagine what it looks like. I know the distinction both from comparing with dreams, where I do see, and with a single experience during meditation (which I've tried many times but so far failed to replicate). They're nothing alike what it is to "imagine" for me.
It's not vivid like a dream though, and doesn't have that 1st-personness either.
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> So I wonder if the people that wrote this article are unable to fathom that people without an inner voice exist? I asked myself the same. There was a famous Reddit thread a couple years ago from a person who recently learned they did not have an inner voice, which made myself realize I also don't have one. I don't have the link saved and there seem to be a couple of such posts, but this one was pretty impactful in…
Do you 'randomly' replay memories?
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I got and adapted the questions from a survey about these issues but I've been trying to get the question right as we tend to use language which presupposes things. I like this one as it asks to form an image and asks about clarity. The image is about hearing. So it crosses both parts. Another example would be to form an image of a telemarketer on the telephone. Change the accent. Introduce line distortion. For me it…
Ha, interesting! I don't have the control you have on my inner hearing. For a song I love, I can like sing along with my mouth shut, not only the voices, but also the instruments. Strangely, it's hard to have the complete song at the same time (voice + instruments), but I suspect it's more of a skill issue, as I seem to be able to do it faintly. I'm not envious of the people who have an inescapable inner voice. I thi…
Actually now that I think about it, I do know that this is a well-known phenomenon in the chess world. Newcomers are unable to to play blind-chess. But experienced players say that they gradually learned how to do it. How it started as a really blurry picture of just a small part of the board, and how they gradually got better at remembering and visualizing the whole board at the same and were able to play full games with a blindfold.
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Not sure if it applies to me, i do have an inner voice, but it's way too slow for my thoughts. Never know how to explain it, but even though i am quick with finding the right words, it's so much slower than my thoughts. But i guess that's normal, so then, most people that have an inner voice, still don't use it for their thinking. It comes afterwards, at least that's how it seems to me.
That's exactly the same for me. I use my inner voice when I'm reading or trying to construct sentences, but I don't think in sentences. I have to convert my thoughts to words so I'm an extremely slow and clumsy talker. I thought this was normal to be honest, but others have sworn to me that they think in sentences and I wonder if that's why some people are such brilliant speakers since for some thoughts and speech ar…
I feel very often like the need of having the right words to describe thoughts to fellow humans is on one hand crafting reality at the same time it's holding it, and therefore all of us, back.
Maybe this way of thinking is more what people understand as intuition?