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Post by sbarre »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #337
sbarre wrote: post #295

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But.. that's how a lot of products have always worked. I think the difference is that before a lot of white-label product factories would cut territory-based deals with resellers, so in (for example) the US, that widget is called "Acme Widget" but in France that exact same widget is called "Le Widget Magnifique". Around the world there might be 100+ companies selling that same product but typically not competing with…

Sure, but before it didn't bother me because I didn't have to browse through eight pages of search results that show the same four products over and over again with different brands slapped on before I might find a fifth one that suits my needs better. If you're lucky they're all using the same images, but sometimes there's a couple of variations so it takes you a couple seconds for each listing to figure out if it's…

Totally fair, the dynamic has changed and so has the customer experience..

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Post by yunwal »

dylan604 wrote: post #317
whacko_quacko wrote: post #247

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Feels like arguing semantics instead of replying to the stated wish I can't get a hitman on amazon, so technically it's not an "everything store" to begin with. But for the purposes of this conversation it clearly is

no, now, you're thinking of Silk Road or some such. The vast vast majority of consumers will only expect to find legal products/services on an everything store. If you are going to qualify everything to include things that will potentially land the user in prison, then sure, we shouldn't call it everything.

I think you’re making gps point. No customer wants or expects spam crap in the everything store. The everything store doesn’t literally need to sell “everything”.

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Post by adamc »

CydeWeys wrote: post #261
Solvency wrote: post #257

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While it's obvious that this is somehow commercially/financially advantageous to Amazon, I'd love to know more about why. What are the economics behind the shovelware merchandise Amazon upranks to users?

It's very simple. Amazon makes a lot of money on advertising and pay-for-placement within their store listings. So when you run a search, Amazon can easily make more money by showing items that they're paid the most to show, vs what you were actually looking for.

Right. Amazon profits, at least in the near-term, from the enshittification of Amazon. Results are obvious: it's a shitty experience.

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Post by cle »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #323
Reason077 wrote: post #245

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The worst thing for me is how the Amazon search algorithm seems to want to show you everything but the item you searched for. In many categories, even when explicitly searching for brand and model names, you’ll get dozens of off-brand substitutions and even random unrelated products appearing above it in the search results. Occasionally I’ve even noticed products that are available for sale (if you click on a direct…

> The worst thing for me is how the Amazon search algorithm seems to want to show you everything but the item you searched for. Hey boss I made the site better! Through rigorous A/B testing I could figure out a way to tweak our search algorithm so people spend much more time on our site! It seems they now really enjoy browsing for products! Ok but seriously, I have witnessed A/B testing go wrong in the past so I'm bi…

Amazon definitely tracks returns in their A/B tests, along with impact on long-term projections of customer value. What they also track is ad and sponsored products revenue. The sad truth with most Internet products is that advertisers are really good customers. They will pay you a lot of money with huge margins, and it's really hard for a business to say no to that.

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Post by johngossman »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #155
moolcool wrote: post #132

Using Amazon for shopping is terrible, borderline unusable in 2024. They're hard to compete with because they're giant and have an amazing logistics network, but it also seems like there's a big vacuum in the market for an "everything store" that's actually good.

It's barely even usable for buying Kindle books anymore. Half the time I get tricked into buying a book my Kindle doesn't support and I have to spend half an hour yelling at support to get my money back. Because they let you do the "buy and deliver to my kindle" thing even when your kindle is not supported. Then only when you grab your kindle to sync you learn the bad news.

Not only does this almost never happen to me, but Amazon has added a Refund button that works automatically. If you select “Remove from Library” within a time window, it asks if you want a refund now. I have run into some bad scans, but never had a problem getting an instant refund. What’s fascinating is how different experiences are.

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Post by EGreg »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #123
EGreg wrote: post #116

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Why do people not understand that LLMs can do things at scale, next year they can form swarms, etc. Swarms of LLMs are not comparable to an employee, they have far better coordination and can carry out long-term conspiracies far better than any human collective. They can amass reputation and karma (as is happening on this very site, and Reddit, etc. daily) and then deploy it in coordinated ways against any number of…

> they have far better coordination I think LLMs are still under utilized, but to this point, it's been repeatedly shown that even the most state of the art LLMs are incapable of generalization, which is very necessary for coordinating large scale conspiracies against humanity.

I dunno, sentiment recognition and coordinated downvoting seems pretty simple for AIs ;-)

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Post by IanCal »

moolcool wrote: post #280
dylan604 wrote: post #229

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If you're curated, you're not everything. If you want everything, well, expect everything.

You make a good and constructive point. A real everything store _should_ have both a "100w USB-C Power Adapter", and a "Long Life 100W USB C Premium Apple Android Galaxy Power Adapter US International iPad iPhone good luck LIFESTYLE".

Ah but which one to pick? There's 20 with different capitalized names, all using the same 3 stock images, all with a mix of good reviews and reviews for entirely different products.

It's good to have such choice.

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Post by GCA10 »

Reason077 wrote: post #245
moolcool wrote: post #132

Using Amazon for shopping is terrible, borderline unusable in 2024. They're hard to compete with because they're giant and have an amazing logistics network, but it also seems like there's a big vacuum in the market for an "everything store" that's actually good.

The worst thing for me is how the Amazon search algorithm seems to want to show you everything but the item you searched for. In many categories, even when explicitly searching for brand and model names, you’ll get dozens of off-brand substitutions and even random unrelated products appearing above it in the search results. Occasionally I’ve even noticed products that are available for sale (if you click on a direct…

Amazon's founding principle of "customer obsession" has been turned inside out -- at least when it comes to thinking of us consumers as the cherished customers. Those days are over.

The new "customers" at the center of Amazon's business model are a global assortment of insta-merchants that don't make the products, don't handle their own logistics and don't have recognizable brands. So -- whoosh! -- in comes Amazon as the ultimate partner/toll-collector. For a fee (or actually for many fees) it will shine up these impostors to the point that they can conduct a lot of business on the Amazon platform.

When Amazon provides distorted search results, my hunch is that it's providing boosted listings for whatever pseudo-merchants are willing to pay up. Or that have agreed to buy other Amazon services. And, hey, Amazon is going the extra mile to make them feel well-treated

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Post by matteoraso »

SoftTalker wrote: post #248
silisili wrote: post #149

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I'd really like a more 'curated' or vetted everything store. I don't need to see 40 of the same exact item rebranded into various English horrors. Walmart seems most primed to do this, barring third party sales. Or Sears, if they ever had a miraculous turnaround to their old days.

Sears still exists?

Yes, there's 13 stores left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears

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