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Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for all intents & purposes, while paying rent you are owner of said apartment, right? Wrong. You don't own that place, the owner owns it. And they have the right of entry in emergency situations, or typically with 48 hours notice. They will bill/sue/evict you for tampering with the entry locks, for sure.

The notice is so you can make a plan to let them in.

There are cases where they are allowed to enter without notice.

If, for example, the unit below yours has water coming through the ceiling I don't know of anywhere that requires them to give you 24-48 hours notice.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

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my apartment building in Boston (part of AvalonBay Communities) installed Latch last year, and I can't agree more with this article. sure, one 7 digit code isn't difficult to memorize, and I obviously memorized the code for the door to my unit. but in my building alone, there's one door to the main lobby; a first-floor main entrance; another first-floor entryway that requires opening two distinct doors sequentially;…

That’s stupid: these locks should support multiple codes so everybody just enters their house code to get in. And a way to issue a temp code for visitors that isn’t anyone’s apartment code.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#33
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notice is so you can make a plan to let them in.

There are cases where they are allowed to enter without notice. If, for example, the unit below yours has water coming through the ceiling I don't know of anywhere that requires them to give you 24-48 hours notice.

Canada, Mexico, most of South America, most of Europe implement such a notice minimum. The US is an outlier in that sense.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#34

This just sounds unreasonable. How about: 1) Hire locksmith. 2) Have them replace app-supported lock with regular metal key one. 3) Profit (in time & annoyance saved). 4) While you're living there , if landlord threathens legal proceedings: hire lawyer & "see you in court". 5) When you leave: hire locksmith to revert lock to app-supported one. If landlord requests so. Sure there's ownership. But for all intents & pur…

you don't need a locksmith to replace your lock. Just use a screwdriver.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#35
post #5

my apartment building in Boston (part of AvalonBay Communities) installed Latch last year, and I can't agree more with this article. sure, one 7 digit code isn't difficult to memorize, and I obviously memorized the code for the door to my unit. but in my building alone, there's one door to the main lobby; a first-floor main entrance; another first-floor entryway that requires opening two distinct doors sequentially;…

Even if you have no trouble remembering a seven digit code, there's nothing to stop a malicious actor who determines that code from entering your apartment. At least with physical keys you have absolute control over who has those keys, and don't have to worry about somebody spying on you as you're punching in the code.

The fact that it takes two seven-digit codes to enter your apartment (one for the lobby door, one for your apartment) only makes cracking the code more difficult; it doesn't change the basic problem that control over entering the building (and your apartment) is freely available to anyone who determines the code.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#36
post #22
post #5

my apartment building in Boston (part of AvalonBay Communities) installed Latch last year, and I can't agree more with this article. sure, one 7 digit code isn't difficult to memorize, and I obviously memorized the code for the door to my unit. but in my building alone, there's one door to the main lobby; a first-floor main entrance; another first-floor entryway that requires opening two distinct doors sequentially;…

If every door has NFC why don't they just make physical cards like employee access cards or hotel key cards? They can still be logged, revoked, etc, the only "feature" lost is the Face ID/mobile phone passcode.

Their website says keycards /can/ be offered, just like physical keys (mentioned in the article). Apartment complexes opt not to support those things.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#37

This just sounds unreasonable. How about: 1) Hire locksmith. 2) Have them replace app-supported lock with regular metal key one. 3) Profit (in time & annoyance saved). 4) While you're living there , if landlord threathens legal proceedings: hire lawyer & "see you in court". 5) When you leave: hire locksmith to revert lock to app-supported one. If landlord requests so. Sure there's ownership. But for all intents & pur…

> But for all intents & purposes, while paying rent you are owner of said apartment, right? Wrong. You don't own that place, the owner owns it. And they have the right of entry in emergency situations, or typically with 48 hours notice. They will bill/sue/evict you for tampering with the entry locks, for sure.

> They will bill/sue/evict you for tampering with the entry locks, for sure.

I'd have a hard time believing anything comes of it if they try.

Let's say:

* You contacted the landlord and let them know the lock was not functional and you'd been unable to access your unit on several occasions. You'd had to sleep at friends' houses several times due to being unable to access your unit. You give them a reasonable timeframe within which to respond appropriately given the severity of the situation (i.e., replace the lock the next day not just send you the phone number for Latch tech support).

* The landlord did not appropriately resolve the situation.

* You replaced the lock with a simple keyed lock without damaging the old lock. You then immediately notified the landlord and provided them a copy of the key. (They also have a legal right to access the unit.)

Where I am, you have committed an act that is explicitly contrary to statutes governing residential tenancies. However, you did so in response to what was effectively an illegal lockout. (It doesn't matter if their intent was to improve the unit--they effectively restricted you from accessing it when you have a legal right to do so.)

They can:

1. Bill you: They can send you some paper. The question is how they enforce collecting the money. It's possible, though unlikely, they _may_ be able to obtain an order for "damages". In this case that would amount to about 15 minutes of a their maintenance staff's time to put the lock back. Using the typical rates I've seen the boards here use for that kind of unspecialized work, you'd be out about $5-8.

2. Sue you: For what? What outcome are they trying to have the court enforce? The court isn't going to order the lock put back and effectively enforce an illegal lockout.

3. Evict you: They already tried to do that via an illegal lockout. I cannot see any board here ordering an eviction in response to changing locks in a way that the landlord's access was never restricted--it's completely disproportionate. They're also generally not going to order an eviction over something that could be easily rectified without an eviction (put the old lock back on, matter's settled, everyone go home).

The "courts" are people, not computers blindly applying a set of instructions. If their options here are (1) to enforce putting the lock back and lock you out of your unit; (2) to evict you because your smartphone isn't compatible with the lock the landlord wants to use; or (3) tell the landlord to kick rocks and fix their damn locks, I'd put my money on #3.

(I'm an involuntary landlord in Canada. I've had to argue in front of a tenancy board--the "court" with original jurisdiction over disputes under the tenancy act--a time or two or thirty. In preparation for that, I've probably read more previous decisions than some of the people _making_ those decisions. IANAL YMMV offer not valid in conjunction with any other offers or promotions HTH HAND.)

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#38

This is just nuts, what happens if your phone is out of battery? You're supposed to stay out for minutes or hours at potentially past midnight before you can go into your own home?

iPhones have had Power Reserve for a few years now. For up to around 5 hours after your phone turns off due to low battery you can still use things like Find My or Express Card transactions (payment, transit, car home hotel keys, student ids). Unfortunately, Latch doesn't support this. Oh, and Latch automatically locks the door behind you. Don't forget your phone when you take out the trash, get the mail, or pick up dry laundry.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#39
post #32
post #5

my apartment building in Boston (part of AvalonBay Communities) installed Latch last year, and I can't agree more with this article. sure, one 7 digit code isn't difficult to memorize, and I obviously memorized the code for the door to my unit. but in my building alone, there's one door to the main lobby; a first-floor main entrance; another first-floor entryway that requires opening two distinct doors sequentially;…

That’s stupid: these locks should support multiple codes so everybody just enters their house code to get in. And a way to issue a temp code for visitors that isn’t anyone’s apartment code.

Then all it takes is one person with a guessable passcode for their apartment and strangers can get in and steal packages, etc.

Re: My New Apartment's Most Aggravating Feature

#40
post #39
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s stupid: these locks should support multiple codes so everybody just enters their house code to get in. And a way to issue a temp code for visitors that isn’t anyone’s apartment code.

Then all it takes is one person with a guessable passcode for their apartment and strangers can get in and steal packages, etc.

I assume the users can’t self-assign the doorcodes.

Are you assuming that the exterior and intermediate doors have unique codes for each resident? That pretty much guarantees people will be carrying around the codes in their wallets for quite a while.

Either way anyone who visits once will have the front door and internal door codes and will be able to come and go as they please unless temporary visitor codes can be issued.

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