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Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

Recently the only people who have been saying that it’s easy to become a programmer in a few months are the ones selling you the way to get there.

THIS

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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That's true. Only 95% of enterprise companies use Azure [0] and only 83% of Fortune 500 use Office 365. 0: https://www.extremetech.com/deals/307468-microsoft-azure-is-... 1: https://zipdo.co/statistics/microsoft-office/

The 17% who don’t use outlook email all their data to the 83% who do use outlook on a daily basis. MSFT has it all.

This is one of the reasons I mostly gave up on protonmail. Sure all my email is encrypted on proton's servers, but everyone else on any given email chain is using gmail, so what's the point?

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That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

I keep hearing that schools are teaching 'computational thought' and programming, but then I also hear that kids can't do math at anywhere near the expected level, can't read at their expected level, and have zero attention span. Either someone is lying or very wrong.

They’re probably different kids we’re talking about. My personal perception is that the gap of basic reading/math skills between the top 10% and the bottom 90% is widening.

Why ? I’d say parental (real, no phone) presence in the kids life / education.

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Engineers affected. The coasting day care is over and Google is in code red wartime mode in a state of panic. Sorry. The market is brutal and it does not care. No one is safe, not even Google.

What market? Google stock is up 56% YoY. Fifty six percent. What do you think it should be? 2000%? It's a huge mature company. 56% in a year is unheard of.

> It's a huge mature company. 56% in a year is unheard of.

MSFT is up 60% yoy. To say nothing about NVDA.

Anyway, the market rebounded. GOOG and most of the market are flat from 2 years ago.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

I keep hearing that schools are teaching 'computational thought' and programming, but then I also hear that kids can't do math at anywhere near the expected level, can't read at their expected level, and have zero attention span. Either someone is lying or very wrong.

Anecdata but a lot of kids and young adults around me also seemingly struggle with use of a full computing environment; they’re much more used to something like iPad OS.

I don’t really buy that the next generation is going to be more computer literate, I’ve been hearing that meme for a long time now and I just don’t see it.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

#127

Their revenue growth is still good. Stock price increased. We are in a bad economy for one or two more years, but it already started a year ago. So what could the the reason for this time mass layoff? Section 174?

Well, Christopher Hohn demanded that the Fortune 50 correct salaries by performing mass general layoffs, and that's what they are doing.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

>But that is also why the "best of the field" get laid off - why pay FAANG salaries to get the best, when entry/mid-level salaries to get "good enough" still meets business needs? Maybe a better chant for town hall meetings would be "We're number 2! We're number 2!"...

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Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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post #124

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I keep hearing that schools are teaching 'computational thought' and programming, but then I also hear that kids can't do math at anywhere near the expected level, can't read at their expected level, and have zero attention span. Either someone is lying or very wrong.

They’re probably different kids we’re talking about. My personal perception is that the gap of basic reading/math skills between the top 10% and the bottom 90% is widening. Why ? I’d say parental (real, no phone) presence in the kids life / education.

For sure the top kids are doing alright, and sure those kids are taking some programming as well. I suppose they should just modify most articles by saying 'Top students' and stop implying that the school system that can't teach kids how to subtract fractions is going to teach programming as well to the average kid.
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