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> The acts of intimidation included sending live insects, a foetal pig and a funeral wreath to the Steiners' home in Natick, Massachusetts. If someone I knew claimed that eBay execs were sending them things like this I wouldn’t believe them. It’s like something from a TV show.
Previous mentions: 2020: eBay execs sent roaches and “bloody pig mask” to harass journalists, feds say (arstechnica.com) favorite https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23532888 2022: Former eBay exec who ran scheme to harass Natick couple sentenced to 57 months https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33021937
The submitted title ("Executives at eBay sent live spiders and cockroaches to critical bloggers") broke that rule badly.
If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
From the impact statement, https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2024/1/170... > After today's announcement, we remain determined to push for answers and do whatever we possibly can to ensure that no corporation ever feels that the option exists for them to squash a person's First Amendment rights ... Judge William G. Young, with nearly four decades on the federal bench, told the defendant, "This is one o…
> no corporation ever feels that the option exists for them to squash a person's First Amendment rights But the article states: "The employees in question were fired by eBay shortly after the incident."
[CEO] Executive 1 texted Executive 2: "Ina is out with a hot piece on the litigation. If we are ever going to take her down..now is the time."
... Baugh asked [CCO] Executive 2 by message, "If I can neutralize Ina's website in two weeks or less, does that work for you?" Within minutes, Executive 2 responded: "I want to see ashes. As long as it takes. Whatever it takes."
... Hi [Executive 2] - this is Jim Baugh's personal cell. My team ran an Op on our friend in Boston. Nothing illegal occurred and we were actually intending to team up with her and get her on our side in a positive manner. However, small town police got a couple of rental car plates and tracked it back to my people and the hotel the were staying at. They sent a note to ebay investigations GAP team who then passed it to legal and they are conducting an internal investigation on us. We are cooperating, but I know they realize something is off. We will continue to cooperate, but not sure how much longer we can keep this up. If there is any way to get some top cover that would be great. If not, I just wanted you to have a heads up because they are aware that multiple members of the ELT are not a fan of that website to include ___ and his wife. Again, no crime was committed and local police don't have a case. I don't want our legal team to give them one. Let me know if you want to discuss this weekend.
... The Individual Defendants took steps to conceal their harassment campaign from eBay investigators and state and federal authorities, by, among other things, using non-eBay electronic communications platforms, billing expenses related to the campaign to an outside contractor, monitoring law enforcement communications, forging records, lying to investigators, and destroying evidence.What the actual fuck? This is so wrong on so many levels. First, what kind of shitty human being would do something like this in the first place? I mean, no, seriously??? HOW does anybody think that doing shit like this is OK? There is, like, no universe in existence (even if you believe in infinite parallel realities or whatever) where it's OK to mail people dead pigs and send them funeral wreathes, just because you…
Submitters: " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The submitted title ("Executives at eBay sent live spiders and cockroaches to critical bloggers") broke that rule badly. If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will b…
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> Damages shouldn't be subjective but based on the acts committed Congratulations, you’ve turned the courts into a contest between theoretical models of what an act is “worth” instead of considering the facts and circumstances at hand.
As opposed to the concrete model of "she was a million dollars worth of sad"
What case are you citing? Because this rings truer for popular misconception of how law and equity work.
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> Damages shouldn't be subjective but based on the acts committed Congratulations, you’ve turned the courts into a contest between theoretical models of what an act is “worth” instead of considering the facts and circumstances at hand.
Are you saying that as aggreement or disagreement? The court is already to settle dueling theoretical models, and it will still settle them by considering facts and circumstances. It should be quite exceptional for a crime to depend on the victim's mental state since someone who spends years learning how to accept the world as it is shouldn't be legally penalised. Although I'm going to say that in the legal sense we…
No, it starts with the facts and circumstances and then lenses them through the law.
> should be quite exceptional for a crime to depend on the victim's mental state
It is. Emotional damage per se being remediable in law is mostly a myth. This is why we default to actual damages; it largely sidesteps alternate timelines and the unknowable mens rea.
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Are you saying that as aggreement or disagreement? The court is already to settle dueling theoretical models, and it will still settle them by considering facts and circumstances. It should be quite exceptional for a crime to depend on the victim's mental state since someone who spends years learning how to accept the world as it is shouldn't be legally penalised. Although I'm going to say that in the legal sense we…
> court is already to settle dueling theoretical models, and it will still settle them by considering facts and circumstances No, it starts with the facts and circumstances and then lenses them through the law. > should be quite exceptional for a crime to depend on the victim's mental state It is. Emotional damage per se being remediable in law is mostly a myth. This is why we default to actual damages; it largely si…
If they don't have different models of what happens, the case usually won't make it to the court.