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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Sparkyte » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 2:47 AM UTC

arkey wrote: post #326

weatherlite wrote: post #300

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> I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. were parents any better 50 years ago? There were no ipads but fathers were much less involved in child rearing. Also - beating up kids was routine. > I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now?

> Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now? Because of 16 more years of a downwards trend. > were parents any better 50 years ago? Probably not, but they didn't have iPads to give. They were probably as bad as now, but maybe pointing to better or higher standards. Since we're using generalisations here, I'd risk saying that generally speaking (in my view of South-Western Europe), a few decades ago it wa…

Pretty much this.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by zerbinxx » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 3:58 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #630

zerbinxx wrote: post #622

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No, not at all, just that (post) modern techno-capitalism has grown out of the need to justify itself via appeals to humanism. Another way of looking at this is by considering the difference between life/death drive in psychology as they relate to humanism/anti-humanism and how that manifests in systems.

I have no idea what that means.

I can explain if you’re genuinely interested

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by woleium » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 4:46 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #154

woleium wrote: post #64

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elf on the shelf is a frighteningly common indoctrination to a life of surveillance

I lifted an Elf on the Shelf box in a store, and it felt heavy for a stuffed toy. What's in there? Are those things WiFi enabled now?

that’ll be the societal debt.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Aerbil313 » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:04 AM UTC

I’m 18, in college. All my friends are basically addicts, I thankfully am not due to my locked down screen time settings[1]. No amount of research or lack thereof can convince me that social media is the major factor behind widespread mental illness. I believe what I see with my own eyes. Adults seem to be more resilient, I don’t know why, maybe because they didn’t grew up in the smartphone era.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38850248

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Aerbil313 » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:23 AM UTC

paduc wrote: post #852

_gabe_ wrote: post #840

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> The particular problem is they made up a whole bunch of shit and when the sciences in general came around, people when "wow, religion is a bunch of controlling bullshit". I think you have your history a bit backwards. Galileo is considered the father of modern science, and he was one of the people that believed those goat herders. He argued that his views were in accordance with the Bible, not that the Bible was a…

He used the scientific method to make his discoveries then wrapped it in religious beliefs to avoid being burned at the stake.

Nice mind reading. Do you have any actual evidence? From Isaac Newton:

> Newton saw God as the masterful creator whose existence could not be denied in the face of the grandeur of all creation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_New...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Aerbil313 » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:32 AM UTC

CraigJPerry wrote: post #165

anon373839 wrote: post #138

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> I think all the social media stuff is missing the mark. I think phones may well be responsible. Before smartphones, people regularly experienced true downtime - unstructured moments with nothing to do except be in your surroundings, feel your own boredom, experience your thoughts. Now, the moment our attention isn’t occupied by something external, we reach for our phones to have something to fill the silence. I bel…

>> Before smartphones, people regularly experienced true downtime Was there not a similar argument made as newspapers became commonplace? Before that the same argument had been made for books but newspapers were on another level - they were effectively limitless drugs, affordable and every single day a new one was available. Instead of talking, laughing and joking with the other workers waiting at the bus stop or in…

Both other animals and native tribes today spend significant amounts of their day doing nothing. Therefore it’s only logical this is the normal mode of operation of the human brain, with the opposite situation being unhealthy.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Aerbil313 » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 5:39 AM UTC

lynx23 wrote: post #291

I find it fascinating how--according to these comments--easy it is to identify a single culprit, the all-mighty smartphone. Seems like gaslighting. Don't get me wrong, Always-Online is likely a contributing factor, but I highly doubt it is the root cause. I cant help but think of Smith: "it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us", that purpose is something that we--in our modern society--lack more day by day.…

> In essence, nobody needs nobody else anymore, because frankly, we dont need each other for survival anymore. Individualism is advanced enough to have destroyed most need for sticking together.

Fascinating to see how far people are willing to go to not name the root cause: technology itself. It’s unthinkable to so many that modern technology as a whole may in fact be a bad idea.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by camgunz » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 9:27 AM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #727

All other issues aside, it would be shocking if reported rates of teen mental illness did not increase as long-standing stigmas gradually wane and these topic become more acceptable to speak about. If your kid cut themself in 1975, what were you going to do? Ask you husband to spend money to "shrink their head"? More likely you'd hide it, like past generations hid most of their traumas. Now, there are many outlets fo…

There's no way that would account for such a steep rise in such a short amount of time.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by virtualritz » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 10:26 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #877

virtualritz wrote: post #860

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> Even if it did, the average height increase the world over shows that capitalism has been an enormous win in food production and elimination of starvation. Source(s), please? TLDR; famines require political will to be prevented, first and foremost[0]. When you eliminate starvation, as it has happened also in non-capitalist socities, e.g. the USSR & China during the cold war, and despite horrible famines during the…

The Soviet Union collectivized the farms, and famine ensued. Then they allowed farmers to be capitalists again, and famine ended. Then they collectivized again, starvation followed. Finally, the Soviets allowed farmers to farm small plots of land, and sell the result. This became the backbone of food production, not the collective farms. In the 1980s Kansas became the "breadbasket of the Soviet Union" as Reagan sent…

I suggest just [0] to scratch the surface of understanding that cause and effect of famines anywhere, but not less so in the USSR, is debated about people who donate their life to the study of this.

While you seem certain simply that they're caused by the absence of a free market (the latter is, in itself, a challengeable claim).

For which you provide zero sources again as well as not providing any sources for the even more outlandish claim that capitalism increased average height. Which was the actual reason I replied to you.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by Scea91 » Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 12:50 PM UTC

sureglymop wrote: post #241

coryrc wrote: post #145

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The price of housing is outrageous and it's worldwide, somehow. The knock-on effects are huge and I think this is one of them. Or maybe governments just can't last as long as they have and they steal all progress eventually. (WW2 reset most, but not the US, would help explain why it's worse here?) Or maybe it really is monkey-brain things and normies shouldn't be on the Internet.

This one is puzzling because "shelter" (right to adequate housing) is directly a human right we once agreed upon. But when we view this as a commodity and allow housing to be an investment vehicle it really displays the lack of empathy and care for the humans around us we have.

Most people have shelter, they just want better shelter. There is a vast inflation in expectations. Previously more people have been living together in smaller spaces, thats why we have housing shortage now.