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Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

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I can only speak for the UK, but the tech market is very different here. We don't really have large tech companies like in the US. Most tech work in the UK is in sectors like finance, retail, or public sector. While our economy isn't great and there are lay offs it would be wrong to call it "tech layoffs". We have some tech startups here too though, and those are obviously struggling right now, but startups don't nor…

Well, this says a lot: https://hnhiring.com/trends?locations=london

Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

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I can only speak for the UK, but the tech market is very different here. We don't really have large tech companies like in the US. Most tech work in the UK is in sectors like finance, retail, or public sector. While our economy isn't great and there are lay offs it would be wrong to call it "tech layoffs". We have some tech startups here too though, and those are obviously struggling right now, but startups don't nor…

There are big tech companies in the UK and they've done layoffs just like in the US. Plenty of companies still hiring though and overall tech workforce is much higher than pre-pandemic.

Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The comparison to U.S here makes absolutely no sense. Why not? My ex German boss moved to the US to work for a company there and since the position is remote, he can live and work in any state he wants. You can't do that in the EU which limits labor mobility which hurts the EU economy and innovation versus the US.

United States is one country. European Union is not a country, it is a collection of many independent countries with separate laws, languages, cultures, governments. You can also live and work from any corner of the same country in EU if you want, provided that your job is also in the same country, just like in the U.S. This is not any different. What you're saying is like can you work for a Canadian company while li…

> What you're saying is like can you work for a Canadian company while living in the U.S?

Yes, of course. You do need government approval, but generally they are willing.

However, one of the supposed goals of the EU's creation was to allow free movement of labour across member countries. Exactly so you can work in another EU country without having to secure government approval.

It is interesting that you say not only did the EU fail on that front, but that it has managed to create a situation worse than countries that have never made a formal attempt to go down that road.

Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

United States is one country. European Union is not a country, it is a collection of many independent countries with separate laws, languages, cultures, governments. You can also live and work from any corner of the same country in EU if you want, provided that your job is also in the same country, just like in the U.S. This is not any different. What you're saying is like can you work for a Canadian company while li…

I never said the EU is a country (nor does it need to be to fulfill my point), but as an economic block, if it wishes to compete with the US in terms of economy and innovation, it needs to do better in terms of labor mobility, and the current status quo is holding it back. I hope my point of what I originally meant is clear now and you don't need to explain anymore about why the EU is not a country like the US.

It's completely possible in theory, just very hard in practice.

It's an economical alliance, not a federation, each country has different tax, social security, pension, health insurance, labor laws, &c. all of them are as complex as your home country's one, but now you have to deal with them in a foreign language, and your employer hr has to deal with them too

It's just much easier to relocate or hire a local than to play this game for a nomad tech bro that will stay 2 years before jumping to his next adventure

So yes you seem to acknowledge the reality that the EU is composed of different countries but you don't seem to grasp the complexity of the consequences

Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

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Haven't heard much from my family in Japan. Layoffs are rare in Japan in general and unemployment is generally always in the 2% range there. I'm sure startups are struggling there though as that seems to be the global trend, but the software engineers I know there at bigger companies haven't mentioned anything about layoffs and seem to be doing fine.

I have no direct experience with the situation in Japan, so take with a grain of salt: my understanding was that, as with much of Asia, the issue is not so much layoffs as burnout and the difficulty of getting one's foot in the door. "Low unemployment" where a significant portion of the youth population is working one or two arubaito or has landed a plum corporate gig that requires 12 hours in the office a day. I don't know how much I'd trust casual conversation about the situation, since it's not kosher to complain so forwardly.

Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

United States is one country. European Union is not a country, it is a collection of many independent countries with separate laws, languages, cultures, governments. You can also live and work from any corner of the same country in EU if you want, provided that your job is also in the same country, just like in the U.S. This is not any different. What you're saying is like can you work for a Canadian company while li…

> What you're saying is like can you work for a Canadian company while living in the U.S? Yes, of course. You do need government approval, but generally they are willing. However, one of the supposed goals of the EU's creation was to allow free movement of labour across member countries. Exactly so you can work in another EU country without having to secure government approval. It is interesting that you say not only…

Well yes, free movement of labor, aka people _moving_ to their job. Not people fleeing their country to enjoy cheap Greek beaches on German salaries

Re: Ask HN: Are tech layoffs happening abroad?

#59
post #32

One of the biggest public tech companies in Germany announced a layoff today, 400 people effected: https://new-work.se/en/newsroom/press-releases/2024-ad-hoc-E...

I thought laying people off was basically impossible in Germany.

It's just very well regulated and you fall on the very comfortable safety net of 12 months of unemployment benefits (a bit more than 60% of your salary).

The average Joe will have a much better time being fired in Germany than in countries like the US or Switzerland

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