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Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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There is no other earth to sell copies of Office to. Very hard to have growth there.

By that metric, Slack, Jira etc are finished because they don't sell to alien civilizations. The number of employees that need Office 365 accounts is always going to be more than the number that need a Figma, Salesforce or chatGPT account.

And?

All you've pointed out is Wall Street's demand for eternal growth is untenable, as if we didn't already know that.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

"High Paying Job" simply means more than minimum wage. There are a lot of Americans for which $40K to $50K income would be considered good. $60K to $70K would be considered great.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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>Hard to say if BigHead style devs are being affected here. Annual review ratings aren't quite yet finalized They aren't yet finalized, but pretty damn close. Don't you think this probably plays into it? VPs were likely told 'put 6% of your engineers below 'meets expectations', and some VPs probably thought about it and said "actually we have a really weak division, i'd rather axe that, than taking a 6% haircut acros…

For a number of reasons. 1. This wasn't just entire divisions. I've seen massive cuts on some teams and ticky-tack cuts elsewhere. 2. This was clearly coordinated above the VP level and could not have been just individual unilateral decisions by VPs who saw specific grad numbers coming through. 3. I've seen people who were not low performers get fired in this ticky-tack manner. 4. Nobody on my team was fired, but I s…

I mean, it's certainly above my pay grade, but why wouldn't they either take Grad results into account, or at least wait until they could. Another two weeks is not going to make or break someone's yearly budget, and it certainly seems like a good idea to maybe not lay off the person who was about to get "top tier" or whatever it is at google.

Second, why take the PR hit and not just crank the PiP quota or something?

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

>But that is also why the "best of the field" get laid off - why pay FAANG salaries to get the best, when entry/mid-level salaries to get "good enough" still meets business needs?

Maybe a better chant for town hall meetings would be "We're number 2! We're number 2!"...

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Microsoft has access to ALL corporate data of ALL companies (sharepoint, teams, outlook, office365). Remaining step is to link chatgpt to it and train automated agents.

They can't legally do that though for a vast swath of those companies due to various data-protection regs. They do already have several "train your own model"-style ChatGPT products available though.

I mean, there’s a dozen lawsuits against OpenAI just for training on published books. If you’re going to get sued anyway, why not train on private data?

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

> so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill.

meanwhile gen z have no concept of file browsers or the command line, they've only ever dealt in apps.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

We've been having a phenomenon for years: engineers reported that it was hard to find a good job, while companies reported that they couldn't find good engineers. So, it may be that everyone can learn to code, but not everyone can survive the grind of the industry.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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By that metric, Slack, Jira etc are finished because they don't sell to alien civilizations. The number of employees that need Office 365 accounts is always going to be more than the number that need a Figma, Salesforce or chatGPT account.

And? All you've pointed out is Wall Street's demand for eternal growth is untenable, as if we didn't already know that.

There's lots of things Microsoft can do to make Windows more valuable and thus charge more for it, and additional services they can sell. They didn't just sell Windows but also a ton of software on top (Encarta, Flight Simulator), added game consoles, made the OS more stable etc. But that doesn't mean a single product line will continue to grow vs. stagnate. You only get to invent the word processor once.
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