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Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it Facebook that used someone's photo of themselves in an advert - claiming that it fell under "we can use your images for any purpose" ?

I suspect you are misremembering either a real story about an advertiser using someone's photo without permission or rumours based on it that occasionally become popular. An advertiser once, against the FB terms of service, used a user's profile picture in their advertising. The advertiser was banned from the platform. Here's a news story that might jog your memory on this: http://mashable.com/2009/07/17/facebook-dat…

Looks like you're absolutely correct - there's FB blog post from a while back talking about how this is something that they will not do: http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=110636457130

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#92

Complete FUD. Best article I've read on this is from The Verge. Google would be unable to create backups or thumbnails for example without these rights. http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2973849/google-drive-terms...

How come dropbox, skydrive don't need such perpetual blanket permission to provide exactly same service.

From stuartmemo's comment, which you replied to:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2973849/google-drive-terms...

> The Verge: "Is Google Drive worse for privacy than iCloud, Skydrive, and Dropbox?"

Short answer: no.

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#93

Complete FUD. Best article I've read on this is from The Verge. Google would be unable to create backups or thumbnails for example without these rights. http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2973849/google-drive-terms...

No, it's not. "Publicly perform"?! Tell me in what reasonable backup scenario would google need the right to publicly perform your content? It's not reasonable at all; it's egregious and honestly insulting. Look, I get it: the chances of Google acting on these rights are small and the PR backlash for abuse would be brutal. But this is a great example of a legal department _far_ overreaching in their corporate protect…

>No, it's not. "Publicly perform"?! Tell me in what reasonable backup scenario would google need the right to publicly perform your content? It's not reasonable at all; it's egregious and honestly insulting.

Youtube.

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#94
post #31

If you're truly concerned about your data integrity build a TrueCrypt volume within the Goog Drive / Dropbox. Despite what the TOS says on either end there are always going to be breaches, court orders, or potentially even employees with the power to access your files.

So if you want to change one bit, the whole freaking volume has to be uploaded again?

Disk encryption is usually block-based.

(disclaimer: I know nothing about TrueCrypt).

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#95

Dropbox had the same issue in 2011. Their TOS was very similar to Google Drive's, for the same reasons - lawyers putting CYA language in. http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=846 http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=867

Yeah, and Dropbox fixed it after public complaint. It's amazing to me Google would launch with a license with the same problem.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Drive didn't get an addendum to the TOS to address the concerns. Lawyers don't often have 24 hour turnarounds on this sort of change.

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#96
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's only one word I have issues with in the entire TOS, and that's "promoting". Basically they can do the same annoying thing Facebook does when they use your face to recommend pages to other people. Google could potentially use your stuff to build ads for Drive.

I can't think of any possible workable scheme for implementing that, that makes any kind of sense in any universe real or imagined. "Store your spreadsheets! Just like Joe Blow's 2012 sales forecast! (link to preview)"

They could use the best photos in a collage or something. Be creative :)

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#97
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As phrased, the agreement would let Google publish, for open searchable access by the world, all files from all users. Indeed, methinks Google's whole underlying goal in all their endeavors is to mine data they'd not get thru other means. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be hard-pressed to believe Google isn't (or just hasn't gotten there but intends to someday) scouring every GMail, every Chrome OS click, every OCRed image…

> As phrased, the agreement would let Google publish, for open searchable access by the world, all files from all users. This would be corporate suicide and Google won't do this unless they fall to the current status of the like of AOL. At which point we will all have moved on to the next shiny object.

You may move on, but their backups of your data won't.

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

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"Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours. When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptati…

Its the derivative works that I am worried about. But in context it may just be "thumbnails" or other things for searching content.

If Google compresses, re-encodes, or encrypts the files, they're creating derivative works. Google needs those rights in order to actually store the data.

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

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There's been several articles on this topic, and I don't understand why they all seem to ignore this line in Google's TOS: "Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours." These terms are across all of Google's services, and of course they need to state these sorts of things to keep th…

“I don't understand why they all seem to ignore this line in Google's TOS.”

Because not many people are good at reading and at understanding what they read.

Which, here, is this:

Gmail or Google Docs/Drive or Google Apps are not among Google’s services that “allow you to submit content”. You don’t submit anything to them. A service like YouTube, on the other hand, is, and it obviously needs such terms in order to operate.

Re: Google Drive vs. Dropbox Terms of Service

#100
post #71

Complete FUD. Best article I've read on this is from The Verge. Google would be unable to create backups or thumbnails for example without these rights. http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2973849/google-drive-terms...

Yet, with those rights, Google are able to (worldwide) ; create derivative works, communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. I mean "publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content", how on earth can you formulate that so broadly for a service intended to store private files??? And how after reading that can you qualify it as "Complete FUD"? In depth analysis…

Google can only do those rights. They cannot sell your content, for example, because it is not enumerated in the list.

Dropbox, on the other hand, could, theoretically decide that they want to sell your information as a part of the service, and their TOS allows it.

Also keep in mind that this is Google's unified TOS for ALL Google services and products. So it includes Youtube and Google Music, both of which require those rights in order to function.

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