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Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

#21

Jack Welch style management and shareholder capitalism are some of the most destructive forces in the US economy.

What can reasonably be done to combat it? Leadership at all the biggest firms is on board with shareholder capitalism. To them, Welch style management just means line goes up...

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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post #21

Jack Welch style management and shareholder capitalism are some of the most destructive forces in the US economy.

What can reasonably be done to combat it? Leadership at all the biggest firms is on board with shareholder capitalism. To them, Welch style management just means line goes up...

It's going to take a long time, but first is to destroy the myth that corporations have one purpose they need to fulfill: Generate revenue and ensure things are profitable for shareholders. This myth artificially took root in the 1970s. Business schools have to stop teaching this.

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can reasonably be done to combat it? Leadership at all the biggest firms is on board with shareholder capitalism. To them, Welch style management just means line goes up...

It's going to take a long time, but first is to destroy the myth that corporations have one purpose they need to fulfill: Generate revenue and ensure things are profitable for shareholders. This myth artificially took root in the 1970s. Business schools have to stop teaching this.

It took root in 1919, so I don't think that's actually the issue. The problem is short-term thinking based on financial markets and the ability of corporations to reinvest their capital freely. Regulating stock buybacks and the ability of corporations to invest in markets will cut down on corporate fissure.

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can reasonably be done to combat it? Leadership at all the biggest firms is on board with shareholder capitalism. To them, Welch style management just means line goes up...

It's going to take a long time, but first is to destroy the myth that corporations have one purpose they need to fulfill: Generate revenue and ensure things are profitable for shareholders. This myth artificially took root in the 1970s. Business schools have to stop teaching this.

That will only happen if we change laws to make boards and executives criminally liable for these types of problems.

We need to pierce the corporate veil and directly go after the responsible individuals when they, either directly or by deliberate ignorance, cause problems that lead to people dying etc. No shielding behind a corporation if your decisions to make lots more bucks led to avoidable deaths.

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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Answering the question by repeating the myth doesn't really seem to be what they are asking for.

Well it's the way GE was run and look what happened to them. Caring only about your share price is a great way to ruin a company. The share price should be the result of a well run business not the true north of the company. By making the metric into the goal it totally defeats the purpose of the metric.

So basically Goodhart's law in action then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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This is the “everybody knows” narrative that seems to get trotted out whenever modern Boeing has problems. I’m curious - how much of it is true? Is it really systemic, or has it manifested only with one specific model plane? It seems to fit very well with the “financialization is bad” narrative, too, but is there any other data to support the claims? It’s possible that engineer-driven Boeing could have fucked up the…

There is this example of Boeing cutting between 450 and 900 quality inspectors after replacing them with software and “smart tools”.

Boeing said at the time the changes would improve quality.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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post #4

This is the “everybody knows” narrative that seems to get trotted out whenever modern Boeing has problems. I’m curious - how much of it is true? Is it really systemic, or has it manifested only with one specific model plane? It seems to fit very well with the “financialization is bad” narrative, too, but is there any other data to support the claims? It’s possible that engineer-driven Boeing could have fucked up the…

If it was only 1 isolated issue ok sure... But there are now several serious safety issues. The 2 crashes killing hundreds in 2018. The quality issues with the manufacturing of the pressure bulkheads with "snowman" holes thst had to be fixed or the rudder bolts that thst hold the assembly to the fuselage that an employee noticed that weren't the same as the spec drawings? There are probably more cases... With the mul…

I was going to say that Boeing had already gotten that exemption, but I was thinking about a different exemption:

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-737-max-10-certification-fli...

Re: Did a 1997 merger ruin Boeing?

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post #21

Jack Welch style management and shareholder capitalism are some of the most destructive forces in the US economy.

What can reasonably be done to combat it? Leadership at all the biggest firms is on board with shareholder capitalism. To them, Welch style management just means line goes up...

You need the owners to actually care.
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