Live data from Hacker News

US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

theguardian.com

31–40 of 88 posts

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#31
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Without oil dependence, the US can let the Middle East sink back into the sand. That's going to happen eventually anyway.

So long as the EU is more or less aligned with the US and the Suez Canal exists, the Middle East as a flashpoint is not going anywhere.

Right now, most container sea traffic is going around Cape Horn rather than risking the Red Sea. China is working on the Belt and Road scheme to move container traffic from China to Europe to rail.

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#32
post #23
post #6

I think the opposite -- that oil is one of the larger factors that endangers global security.

Yes. Without oil dependence, the US can let the Middle East sink back into the sand. That's going to happen eventually anyway.

The US hasn't been dependent on Middle East crude oil for some years. We still maintain security guarantees there to support key allies, and contain hostile foreign powers, but that will gradually fade away as part of the foreign policy pivot to Asia. European countries need to get moving on rebuilding expeditionary military forces in order to ensure reliable energy supplies (the notion that they can quickly transition to green energy is a total fantasy).

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#33
post #17
post #6

I think the opposite -- that oil is one of the larger factors that endangers global security.

What happens when the wealth ends for the Middle East? That could go very very badly. It’s going to happen though. Even if climate change and pollution and all other ill effects didn’t exist we’d run out at some point and be in the same place.

Depends, United Arab Emirates nowadays makes more money from tourism than oil. Oil is like 1% of their GDP. Climate change is accelerated, but it’s a natural process. We are literally still in Ice Age, just in interglacial period.

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#34
post #23
post #6

I think the opposite -- that oil is one of the larger factors that endangers global security.

Yes. Without oil dependence, the US can let the Middle East sink back into the sand. That's going to happen eventually anyway.

Have you seen where materials for batteries come from? Not exactly homegrown by hippies.

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#35
post #11
post #3

This isn’t news, big oil has been bankrolling lobbyists across the globe to maintain their position via fear mongering about “global security”. There were several wars fought over oil in the past three decades, in fact.

Exactly! People want Green energy resources to be slashed? I'm all for it, once we spend roughly the same amount of time and money we've dedicated to developing oil. Between wars to secure oil, excessive industry tax breaks, etc, I wouldn't doubt the cost to get oil to where it is today is in the tens (if not hundreds) of trillions of dollars.

Please list the oil industry tax breaks. Other than expensing certain expenses (shocking) they don’t really exist in the US

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#37
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So long as the EU is more or less aligned with the US and the Suez Canal exists, the Middle East as a flashpoint is not going anywhere.

Right now, most container sea traffic is going around Cape Horn rather than risking the Red Sea. China is working on the Belt and Road scheme to move container traffic from China to Europe to rail.

Isn't rail shipping far more expensive than, er, ships? Also, good luck getting anything from China to Europe via rail without going through either Iran (the Middle East) or Russia (not exactly on friendly terms with Europe at the moment, to put it lightly).

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#38
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Without oil dependence, the US can let the Middle East sink back into the sand. That's going to happen eventually anyway.

Have you seen where materials for batteries come from? Not exactly homegrown by hippies.

Indeed (though neither is the USA itself), however you have to try quite hard to damage a battery in a way that means recycling it at end of life is harder than extracting raw elements from rocks in the ground, so a steady-state battery setup is much less vulnerable than the 20th century setup for oil… provided there's sufficient will to actually build the recycling plants and manufacturing capability in most nations, and it's much too early to see how that plays out given the current scale of operations.

Similar arguments also apply to PV cells and wind turbines.

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#39
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So long as the EU is more or less aligned with the US and the Suez Canal exists, the Middle East as a flashpoint is not going anywhere.

Right now, most container sea traffic is going around Cape Horn rather than risking the Red Sea. China is working on the Belt and Road scheme to move container traffic from China to Europe to rail.

Right, because it's a flashpoint at this very moment.

Re: US oil lobby launches ad campaign to promote oil as 'vital' to global security

#40
post #4

How long before we diversify our technology to not be ham strung by oil anymore? If it's a security risk to not have it then it's a security risk relying on it so heavily.

Petrochem is an economical hydra, with heads in just about every industry imaginable from agricultural to pharmaceutical to packaging. It will be one hell of an endeavor to wean ourselves off of oil, but it needs to be done.
Post reply on HN