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Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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What an inspiring passage. I’ve been feeling the exact same way about software lately. It’s just no fun anymore. I should do something pointless like making a wayland compositor for myself or something.

Go and meditate. You will never find truth in thoughts/words/code/beliefs. It can be in trillions of possible combinations. You can keep churning it out for infinity and not reach anywhere.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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post #5

I think this is an indication of the difference between the start of project and maintenance of a product. At the start, you can imagine all the cool things it does, once it's working you have to keep it working in the real world.

Spot on. Everything is fun when the scale is small and the consequences don't matter, and everything is serious when the scale is large and the consequences matter.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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As a researcher, I’ve felt largely the same way lately. It’s been hard for me to even wrap up a project I was so excited about when I started it that I missed sleep because I was that engaged. Unfortunately, I don’t have a cozy tenure position at a major research institution to ride out the burnout until I feel inspired again. I’m just a lowly postdoc.

I’ve thought about leaving the research life for a regular job, but it’s not obvious to me that would help. First, there’s not really other jobs I’d rather do. Second, the burnout has penetrated so many facets of my life (various hobbies, etc.) I’m not sure if it even is burnout or a deeper issue.

Therapy and medication has only been marginally helpful. I’m really not sure what to do at this point.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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As a researcher, I’ve felt largely the same way lately. It’s been hard for me to even wrap up a project I was so excited about when I started it that I missed sleep because I was that engaged. Unfortunately, I don’t have a cozy tenure position at a major research institution to ride out the burnout until I feel inspired again. I’m just a lowly postdoc. I’ve thought about leaving the research life for a regular job, b…

burnout = depression

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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Jonathan Blow has a great talk on long projects (The Witness was like 8 years in development?) here which I watch once in a while: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0m0jIzJfiQ

Some highlights:

- He takes a week long vacation every now and then to hack on a completely different game idea for fun, with the focus on it being short and fun

- Time for relaxation and unstructured thinking

- Walks / showers can produce amazing ideas

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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While this passage is inspiring, it boils down to:

  1. Get good at something
  2. Get paid for doing it
  3. Get burned out by doing it
  4. Return to the fun way of doing it
  5. ???
  6. Win a Nobel prize or similar
How repeatable is that pattern? Is that one of the patterns we want to teach the next generation? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Feynman is obviously rather exceptional. Should we encourage people to follow a path like his?

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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I can just imagine this in his voice (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYg6jzotiAc ) Feynman is my favourite physicist. Of course you could pick someone else, you could argue about the relative importance of each person's contribution to scientific knowledge, but it was his aimiability, playfulness and curiousity, combined with the fact that he _did_ break new frontiers in quantum physics that make him so inspiri…

Yeah uh I was forever hoping for Feynmann to appear. Suddenly, a man playing bongos! Finally, here he comes, I thought... but no. No Feynmann. What a disappointment.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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post #5

I think this is an indication of the difference between the start of project and maintenance of a product. At the start, you can imagine all the cool things it does, once it's working you have to keep it working in the real world.

Or the start of the project and completing the project. All those fun projects people start and never finish. All the fun stuff is done, it's the boilerplate that needs to be done to actually complete the project that is the "hard" part.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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While this passage is inspiring, it boils down to: 1. Get good at something 2. Get paid for doing it 3. Get burned out by doing it 4. Return to the fun way of doing it 5. ??? 6. Win a Nobel prize or similar How repeatable is that pattern? Is that one of the patterns we want to teach the next generation? Serious question. I don't know the answer. Feynman is obviously rather exceptional. Should we encourage people to f…

Pattern like that isn't repeatable, but idea of letting go of expectations to recover the joy of doing whatever you are doing is.
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