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Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by didntcheck » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 3:32 PM UTC

hm-nah wrote: post #104

I’ve been thinking about the future of this type of “AI fatigue”. Microsoft 365 Copilot has embedded this feature in Outlook, Teams, Word, etc. I’m concerned that people’s desire and ability to read content from coworkers will significantly decrease, because…why spend my life reading something that “Bob” didn’t even write? I’m not the only one thinking about this. M365 Copilot even has a “Make it sound like me” butto…

I still facepalm everytime someone excitedly demonstrates how they used ChatGPT to turn a nice concise message into a wall of PR fluff, as if that's some victory. I get that for some types of writing this is unfortunately beneficial, but for routine transactional emails (especially with internal colleagues), I think 90% of people would much prefer brevity and plain language

If I ever spend a long time composing an email, it's usually because I'm trying to make it as short and clear to read as possible. What's that old quote, "forgive me for the length of this letter; I don't have the time to make it short"?

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by lsaferite » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 3:34 PM UTC

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #40

Absolutely fascinating read. I am really curious about his artist-colleagues who find ChatGPT to be a boon to their work. That does not strike me as intuitive.

My artist friend uses AI in their creative pipeline to jumpstart the vision in their head into something visual to start from. They then use that to either refine or recreate based on the visualization the AI provided.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by bdcravens » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 3:38 PM UTC

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #35

bdcravens wrote: post #16

Love the irony that it's asked on a StackExchange site.

Because reading StackExchange is how ChatGPT got good?

No, my point is that StackExchange (primarily StackOverflow) has been a source for many to grab work product without actually doing the work. ChatGPT is only taking that to the next, more automated, level.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by JohnFen » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 3:50 PM UTC

Reading the relies here has made me feel lucky in my workplace. Most people here tried using ChatGPT for a while, but the vast majority stopped using it entirely, so this never happens here. I didn't realize how fortunate I am!

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by nonbirithm » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 4:12 PM UTC

I think this is the main problem that will increasingly come into focus.

OpenAI has one of the fastest-growing software releases in history. It's kind of insane how after a year this is already starting to alter people's communication styles. Technologists will have to start asking "why do people still insist on doing this", even with all the discussion about incorrect information coming up. Well, because they wanted to, they could, and nobody has told them "no" yet.

I hope the consequences of such a large-scale software rollout are considered next time. If you have to stop and stay "we should educate people about the misuses of this," then some proportion of the population won't be educated or reject being educated outright and do what they want. In my view, the only thing preventing people from throwing around ChatGPT suggestions in inappropriate contexts is... not giving them ChatGPT. To remain naive to the possibilities lest they get excited and unwittingly unleash them on everyone, regardless of true their intentions - as had been the status quo up until a few years ago. Draconian legislation outlawing GPUs or LLMs are more divisive a solution than the general public just not being aware of the possibilities of LLMs.

I know this is unrealistic, however. "Time for people to embrace the tech and move on" has become a thought-terminating cliche. As a programmer, I'm lost as to what to say or do about this.

I've seen accusations and suspicion of HN commentators giving ChatGPT responses. Accusing someone of using ChatGPT here has become something more nuanced than an insult, but still sows discord. If it's coming to this, I think it is worth examining for what purpose we build the things we do.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by himinlomax » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 4:22 PM UTC

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #28

Several months ago, I received a report that I believed to be generated by an LLM, rather than original work. So I asked my coworkers on Slack about their expert opinion: do you believe this is original work or not? The only answer I received was from a guy who copy-pasted it into an "LLM detector" and uncritically copy-pasted the output for me. This response got several thumbs-up from management and mentors. Geez, i…

The most important part in all this is that, from what I can tell, LLM detectors are just complete scams.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by krainboltgreene » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 4:22 PM UTC

ryanklee wrote: post #98

krainboltgreene wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is significantly cheaper to ban a poor tool than to teach critical thinking.

The problem is with the person, not the tool. Get rid of people who can't think critically, replace them with people who can.

Sure it's not the tool if you completely ignore 80% of the story. It's cheaper to ban a tool than "hire people who can critically think", as if I ever believed people could intentionally detect that.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by krainboltgreene » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 4:24 PM UTC

amenhotep wrote: post #101

krainboltgreene wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the third response I've seen like this. Is this some sort of training material? "What to say when people doubt the machine" pamphlet? "Just squeeze the stone harder" is bad advice for getting blood.

That you think this is weird advice or advice that makes LLMs look good shows that your position is one of reflective opposition rather than understanding and experience with the things. If you interact with them much it's an obvious course of action. It will come up with nonsense, and if you tell it it's nonsense it will immediately apologise and explain why the nonsense was nonsense. It will come up with good infor…

> It will come up with nonsense, and if you tell it it's nonsense it will immediately apologise and explain why the nonsense was nonsense.

This only makes sense if you believe LLMs are something more than they are. As someone who knows how LLMs work pretty well I don't. The presumption here is that the following advice is 100% better or correct and I also don't believe that.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by practice9 » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

didntcheck wrote: post #111

hm-nah wrote: post #104

I’ve been thinking about the future of this type of “AI fatigue”. Microsoft 365 Copilot has embedded this feature in Outlook, Teams, Word, etc. I’m concerned that people’s desire and ability to read content from coworkers will significantly decrease, because…why spend my life reading something that “Bob” didn’t even write? I’m not the only one thinking about this. M365 Copilot even has a “Make it sound like me” butto…

I still facepalm everytime someone excitedly demonstrates how they used ChatGPT to turn a nice concise message into a wall of PR fluff, as if that's some victory. I get that for some types of writing this is unfortunately beneficial, but for routine transactional emails (especially with internal colleagues), I think 90% of people would much prefer brevity and plain language If I ever spend a long time composing an em…

But you can distill a wall of PR fluff to a concise message with ChatGPT... The problem is the average user thinks "long text = good" and their bosses often agree.

Re: How to get coworkers to stop giving me ChatGPT-generated suggestions?

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 4:49 PM UTC

nonbirithm wrote: post #115

I think this is the main problem that will increasingly come into focus. OpenAI has one of the fastest-growing software releases in history. It's kind of insane how after a year this is already starting to alter people's communication styles. Technologists will have to start asking "why do people still insist on doing this", even with all the discussion about incorrect information coming up. Well, because they wanted…

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