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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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It also created other famines.

Example? Even if it did, the average height increase the world over shows that capitalism has been an enormous win in food production and elimination of starvation.

> Example?

If we think that food is generally abundant, I think it would be fair to say that famines are caused because people are deprived of food that is available, but either too expensive, and/or too valuable to other parties.

Given that, any example of famine or malnutrition, should be considered.

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His point was that Kristallnacht people thought they are „cancelling“ evil too.

So the point is we have to listen to evil because we might be wrong about what is evil? It makes no sense. Especially when we're talking about, in some cases, literal modern Nazis.

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Running clubs and associations and churches and any nonprofit oriented community organization is hard work. Throw more parties. That’s one solution. It’s not easy either, but it isn’t pure hedonism. It’s creating real social bonds. And it takes real work!! Underappreciated.

Throw more parties Ok. So what do poor people do? Or folks living in spaces too small for such things?

Virtual reality. Though it sucks.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I believe the big 2016 bump is due to Trump. Does that have international impact? Since I'm German and still had daily news about his behavior I say yes. As far I can remember we never had so many news about any other US president. I mean Trump was very active on social media and was very attention seeking, much more than other presidents. Why would Trump cause depression? First of all he basically said all the thing…

Or we can say that the massmedia landscape is shaping a generation of people incapable of handling dissenting opinions in a constructive way, everything is becoming emotionally charged and taboo to question; in an era of unlimited access to knowledge we are relegating ourself in more and more extremist cults, wheter reactionary or progressive

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Example? Even if it did, the average height increase the world over shows that capitalism has been an enormous win in food production and elimination of starvation.

> Example? If we think that food is generally abundant, I think it would be fair to say that famines are caused because people are deprived of food that is available, but either too expensive, and/or too valuable to other parties. Given that, any example of famine or malnutrition, should be considered.

I don't know of any capitalist country that suffers from famine. Malnutrition is usually the result of disease or drug abuse, not lack of food.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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His point was that Kristallnacht people thought they are „cancelling“ evil too.

So the point is we have to listen to evil because we might be wrong about what is evil? It makes no sense. Especially when we're talking about, in some cases, literal modern Nazis.

The point is that you are not a reliable judge of what is evil and thus not a reliable judge of what should not be tolerated.

Since apparently it still isn't clear to you what they're saying, Nazis, like many other authoritarian regimes, punished criticism of them. That has the exact same logic as yours, they think they're doing the right thing, thus criticizing them is promoting evil and thus should be shut down (another very visible example of this would be the various forms of "hurt sentiments" related issues in various Asian countries). This is why "intolerance of intolerance" is a fallacy. It presumes that those being accused of intolerance are doing it in bad faith rather than out of a genuine belief that they are doing the right thing.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Example? Even if it did, the average height increase the world over shows that capitalism has been an enormous win in food production and elimination of starvation.

> Even if it did, the average height increase the world over shows that capitalism has been an enormous win in food production and elimination of starvation. Source(s), please? TLDR; famines require political will to be prevented, first and foremost[0]. When you eliminate starvation, as it has happened also in non-capitalist socities, e.g. the USSR & China during the cold war, and despite horrible famines during the…

The Soviet Union collectivized the farms, and famine ensued. Then they allowed farmers to be capitalists again, and famine ended. Then they collectivized again, starvation followed.

Finally, the Soviets allowed farmers to farm small plots of land, and sell the result. This became the backbone of food production, not the collective farms.

In the 1980s Kansas became the "breadbasket of the Soviet Union" as Reagan sent huge quantities of Kansas wheat to the USSR.

As for the US, the never-ending specter of famine ended around 1805 or so. Since then the height of Americans shot up. It was not do to any humanist thinking or modern logistics or government programs. It was due to the free market.

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> No he didn't. His employees did. Gates traded money for the work of his employees. It was a fair trade, as both parties freely agreed. (Pedantically, Gates wrote Microsoft's first product - BASIC.) > The transfer of wealth was from the employees of Microsoft to Bill Gates by means of information asymmetry: Bill Gates knows what his employees are worth (i.e. the value they create, on average), but they don't. You im…

Walter you know I hold you in tremendous esteem: your achievements are among the most noteworthy of any of the regular commenters and frankly of living hackers, and many including myself wouldn't be in this business without your contributions. So please know I say this with the utmost respect. But I think you make an error when you say or effectively say via implication that market failures don't happen in way that i…

Gates attended Lakeside school, a private school that had a computer. Gates and Allen took advantage of that to learn how to program. None of the other students did.

Then they went to Harvard, which also had a computer available to students. I expect most universities at the time did. They took advantage of it to develop a Basic interpreter. Nobody else at Harvard did, nor did any other students in the country who had access. Basics were developed for other processors by other people.

IBM came to Gates to get a DOS for their PC. Gates didn't have one, and sent them to Gary Kildall. Kildall failed to recognize the opportunity, and sent them back to Gates. Gates didn't have to be presented with opportunity twice. He still didn't have a DOS, but figured he could get one. He bought one from Tim Patterson for $50,000. Patterson also failed to notice the opportunity.

And the rest, as they say, is history. What is clear is that Gates/Allen were hardly the only one who had opportunity, but they were the only ones to recognize the opportunity. Nobody was cheated. Money was not extracted from anybody. It was all fair deals.

A couple years later, Steve Jobs also saw opportunity where nobody else did. We all know the result. Woz wrote a Basic without access to any other computer, showing this was hardly impossible.

I also had those opportunities, but I FAILED TO RECOGNIZE them, and so missed out on being a multi-billionaire. I was not rooked out of opportunity. Nobody oppressed me. I'm not angry about it. I, and tens of thousands of others, simply failed to see the opportunity, and/or lacked the guts to take the risk and to the hard work needed to take advantage of it.

I also competed straight up with Microsoft in the 1980s, and was fairly successful at it. I recognized the opportunity that C++ offered (finally I bet on the right horse!), and capitalized on it, doing very well by having the only native C++ compiler that worked on DOS. Until Microsoft and Borland belatedly got into that market, and yet I still prospered with it.

Microsoft and Borland never tried to bury me with any tactics, they eventually outcompeted me. Microsoft did try to buy me out at one point, but I declined as I thought the offer was too low. I turned out to be right on that one, too. Borland tried to hire me, too, but the offer was insufficient.

Microsoft was a tough competitor, sure, and if you wanted to compete with them you had to bring your A game. I've seen a lot of their competitors frankly whine about it, when they were making obvious missteps that were the actual architect of their demise.

At no point did Microsoft ever force anyone to work for them or force anyone to buy their products.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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So the point is we have to listen to evil because we might be wrong about what is evil? It makes no sense. Especially when we're talking about, in some cases, literal modern Nazis.

The point is that you are not a reliable judge of what is evil and thus not a reliable judge of what should not be tolerated. Since apparently it still isn't clear to you what they're saying, Nazis, like many other authoritarian regimes, punished criticism of them. That has the exact same logic as yours, they think they're doing the right thing, thus criticizing them is promoting evil and thus should be shut down (an…

All "punishments" are not the same. Free speech means that you cannot be punished by the government for your speech. You can't imprisoned or physically harmed. But people equate that with speech without consequence and, even more, that they are entitled to someone else's forum for their speech. In authoritarian regimes we are talking about real criminal-type punishments. You're purposely conflating these ideas together when they are different.

If nobody wants to listen to your terrible idea or give you a forum for them then that's their right. If people don't want to associate with you because of what you believe that is their right. If people want to convince others to not give you that forum, that's their free speech. We don't have to give a forum to the very ideas that lead to real punishment of criticism.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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The point is that you are not a reliable judge of what is evil and thus not a reliable judge of what should not be tolerated. Since apparently it still isn't clear to you what they're saying, Nazis, like many other authoritarian regimes, punished criticism of them. That has the exact same logic as yours, they think they're doing the right thing, thus criticizing them is promoting evil and thus should be shut down (an…

All "punishments" are not the same. Free speech means that you cannot be punished by the government for your speech. You can't imprisoned or physically harmed. But people equate that with speech without consequence and, even more, that they are entitled to someone else's forum for their speech. In authoritarian regimes we are talking about real criminal-type punishments. You're purposely conflating these ideas togeth…

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