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Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since running a business costs money, the only result that will satisfy organisations like noyb is that companies like Facebook disappear from the EU. You will read many people here in HN openly saying how they would like social media to disappear, not only for themselves, but for everybody else, including those who enjoy it.
> Since running a business costs money They should charge a fair price for their product and deliver something good to customers. No one is forcing Facebook to not charge for their service. They just can’t do it without slurping your data. If they can’t have a business without invading people’s privacy, they shouldn’t have a business. It is baffling that people still shill these practices from big corporations. It’s…
There is the option to pay for Instagram (and probably also Facebook I assume, but not sure) instead of sharing your data in the EU. https://glamsham.com/world/technology/meta-faces-new-eu-comp...
Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#53I also applaud this and personally would prefer to just pay for services instead of being the product, but I'm afraid this is not a popular opinion. People don't want to pay, at least not knowingly. I'm curious how this will play out.
> pay for services instead of being the product That cliché is no longer applicable (was it ever?) and repeating it only helps the worst infringers. You can pay and still be the product. Consider the streaming services which charge you but still serve ads, or physical appliances that you buy but send your usage habits to the manufacturer (like TVs). Paying is not a guarantee that a company will treat you or your priv…
> Consider the streaming services which charge you but still serve ads
I pay for the ad-free experience on every service that offers it, and I still see ads. The 4 second hulu splash screen at the start of EVERY item I stream is still an ad. HBO, sorry MAX, showing 30s ads for other shows EVERY. TIME. I stream something, still an ad. At least those I can skip, but I shouldn't have to.
There was no real purpose to my post, I just needed to vent about that part your point.
Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#54I also applaud this and personally would prefer to just pay for services instead of being the product, but I'm afraid this is not a popular opinion. People don't want to pay, at least not knowingly. I'm curious how this will play out.
Since running a business costs money, the only result that will satisfy organisations like noyb is that companies like Facebook disappear from the EU. You will read many people here in HN openly saying how they would like social media to disappear, not only for themselves, but for everybody else, including those who enjoy it.
This is incorrect, or at least incorrect if you generalize it beyond noyb.
All I want is for the true costs of using a product to be understood. Businesses can and should make money! But it’s wrong to present a product as “free” when it is not. It’s no different than having a fine print click license granting Facebook permission to come take stuff from your garage.
Yes, businesses cost money to run. No, that does not mean that all business models must be permitted regardless of consumer and social harm.
There is no fundamental right to a profitable businesses; if a business cannot be profitable within the bounds we choose to set, oh well.
(And I say this as a huge EU policy skeptic that thinks they are way over-regulating)
Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#55I also applaud this and personally would prefer to just pay for services instead of being the product, but I'm afraid this is not a popular opinion. People don't want to pay, at least not knowingly. I'm curious how this will play out.
I pay for a lot of services and I don't pay for many more of other ones. I also don't use a lot of free services. I'm sure that I'm a product of a lot of services I pay for, despite I'm paying for them. They are probably selling my data with or without my consent. There are so many fine prints and different ways to interpret the terms of contract.
Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#56Of course it does.
I have noo idea what happens if I press "Save settings" on all these cookie banners.
Pretty sure somewhere there is a hidden checkbox that allows everything. It probably still tracks, just makes you happy reading the giant popup list.
They invented "essential cookies for marketing purposes" anyway. And after there was this "You accept tracking ads or you pay to us" popup.
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#57Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#58I also applaud this and personally would prefer to just pay for services instead of being the product, but I'm afraid this is not a popular opinion. People don't want to pay, at least not knowingly. I'm curious how this will play out.
Since running a business costs money, the only result that will satisfy organisations like noyb is that companies like Facebook disappear from the EU. You will read many people here in HN openly saying how they would like social media to disappear, not only for themselves, but for everybody else, including those who enjoy it.
I don't understand this argument. Meta makes its money from selling adverts. Meta grabs bucketloads of personal data from us. Meta shows us adverts when we access their systems. NOYB is objecting to Meta grabbing bucketloads of personal data from us. This doesn't stop them selling adverts or showing adverts to us, therefore it doesn't stop Meta making money. There's no reason for Meta to disappear - just for them to stop violating our fundamental rights.
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#59Re: Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdraw consent: complaint
#60Of course it does. I have noo idea what happens if I press "Save settings" on all these cookie banners. Pretty sure somewhere there is a hidden checkbox that allows everything. It probably still tracks, just makes you happy reading the giant popup list. They invented "essential cookies for marketing purposes" anyway. And after there was this "You accept tracking ads or you pay to us" popup.
Similar issue with Reddit's privacy "settings" last I checked. I'd uncheck everything. Then I'd go back. Some stayed unchecked. Some didn't. Go figure.