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Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by codingdave »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #39

I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill.

Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and being able to succeed as a novelist are two different things.

But that is also why the "best of the field" get laid off - why pay FAANG salaries to get the best, when entry/mid-level salaries to get "good enough" still meets business needs?

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by [deleted] »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #47
gumballindie wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh but they will get high pay compared to their bartending job.

will they? The job market is full of high quality experienced devs. I don't see why any company would hire for an inexperienced dev when they can get an experienced one for cheap. It's like buying Walmart cheese for $5 when you can get high end cheese for $10. No brainer

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Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by garymiklos »

paulus_magnus2 wrote: post #32
joak wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft was once on the decline and it's now bouncing back. Having billions and captive markets (by network effect) seems to help.

Microsoft has access to ALL corporate data of ALL companies (sharepoint, teams, outlook, office365). Remaining step is to link chatgpt to it and train automated agents.

Not all corporates use Microsoft

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by bossyTeacher »

codingdave wrote: post #51
bossyTeacher wrote: post #39

I wonder what does this mean for the "Everyone can code" movement (bootcamps, initiatives within Google and the like, government funding). They keep saying that you can get a high paying job if you do a 9 month course. When the best of the field are getting laid off, I wonder how long will the "Everyone can code" movement survive

That concept doesn't hold water. If everyone can code, it won't be a high paying skill. And soon, it will really be true that everyone can code. Schools are teaching computational thought as early as kindergarten, so the next generation is growing up with coding being a basic literacy skill. Of course, knowing how to code and being good at creating software are two different things. Just like knowing how to write and…

I know. But it has been parrotted in the last decade even by the (usually) smart folks of HN

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

#57

Post by Zetobal »

joak wrote: post #28
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #17

As I have been saying for a while Google, Amazon, Facebook, all these companies are on the decline. We have allowed them to become so big that they don't fall fast but it's very apparent that they would have been disrupted if they were normal sized like companies were in the past.

Microsoft was once on the decline and it's now bouncing back. Having billions and captive markets (by network effect) seems to help.

Microsoft is too big to fail the perfect place for a shit ceo like Satya to just hold the finger in the wind and go with the flow.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by matesz »

throwawaygoog6 wrote: post #3

Can confirm. Core Developer is impacted, with what appears to be roughly an 8-10% layoff.

Can you elaborate what is the role of a core developer?

From my understanding core developer is somebody who works on something fundamental, like build system, general monorepo structure and architecture.

I would be curious to hear insights if anyone has understanding or experience in these roles.

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by discordance »

garymiklos wrote: post #55
paulus_magnus2 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has access to ALL corporate data of ALL companies (sharepoint, teams, outlook, office365). Remaining step is to link chatgpt to it and train automated agents.

Not all corporates use Microsoft

That's true. Only 95% of enterprise companies use Azure [0] and only 83% of Fortune 500 use Office 365.

0: https://www.extremetech.com/deals/307468-microsoft-azure-is-...

1: https://zipdo.co/statistics/microsoft-office/

Re: Tell HN: Google-Wide Layoffs

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Post by UncleMeat »

matesz wrote: post #58
throwawaygoog6 wrote: post #3

Can confirm. Core Developer is impacted, with what appears to be roughly an 8-10% layoff.

Can you elaborate what is the role of a core developer? From my understanding core developer is somebody who works on something fundamental, like build system, general monorepo structure and architecture. I would be curious to hear insights if anyone has understanding or experience in these roles.

Core Developer is the org that provides key software that developers use to build and deploy applications. Stuff like "we ship the java compiler" and "we ship the IDE."
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