I'm a participant in runner groups. I was surprised to meet several exceptional runners with stories of moving from very unhealthy/overweight to their current level of marathoner+. Several of them had success not just with intermittent fasting, but prolonged fasting. Humans can run when they feel like you have no energy. It's hard to believe that this isn't a psychological and behavioral issue: >A 30 percent reductio…
It's kind of shouting into the void but I always wanted to try to teach high school physics starting from energies rather than forces/velocities/other vectors... And the easiest places where people run into energies are light bulb wattages and nutrition facts, and the latter always seemed more interesting than the former, so the idea was “The Biophysics of Weight Loss” as a first physics course. As an example of how…
The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
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Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#192> In 2016, Pontzer and colleagues published a study putting forward the constrained energy model: Energy expenditure does increase with more activity, but only to a point. Once physical activity gets really high, the body will adjust other components of the metabolism to keep your daily energy expenditure within a narrow range How do people who constantly repeat the mantra of thermodynamics in such threads explain th…
It is always realistic to achieve a thermodynamic deficit, that there is some buffer or hysterisis to the curve (i.e non linearity) is not a big deal. The key insight is that the variability in the effeciency of your metabolism is not the bounding factor. A standard deviation of a few hundred calories in the natural variability of metabolism will meaningfully increase the difficulty of weight loss, but this simply means modulating the duration of your activity taking into account the diminishing returns of increased exercise and natural variability in metabolism. Now if this is psychologically or practically easy is an entirely different question.
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#193> In 2016, Pontzer and colleagues published a study putting forward the constrained energy model: Energy expenditure does increase with more activity, but only to a point. Once physical activity gets really high, the body will adjust other components of the metabolism to keep your daily energy expenditure within a narrow range How do people who constantly repeat the mantra of thermodynamics in such threads explain th…
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#194I'm a participant in runner groups. I was surprised to meet several exceptional runners with stories of moving from very unhealthy/overweight to their current level of marathoner+. Several of them had success not just with intermittent fasting, but prolonged fasting. Humans can run when they feel like you have no energy. It's hard to believe that this isn't a psychological and behavioral issue: >A 30 percent reductio…
A while back I had a massive immune reaction in my skin, which brought with it the constant urge to scratch. A lot of people idly comment that the solution is to just not scratch, but it turned out that I had a skin infection, and under those circumstances the instinct to scratch is incredibly strong; you do it as soon as your mental attention is turned elsewhere. Once the skin infection was cured, and a bit of steroid cream applied the urge to scratch went away.
Now imagine how strong is the instinct to eat. Eating is essential for life, the instinct to eat when hungry has been reinforced by evolution constantly since the nervous system developed. Have you read a description of what it's like to starve? The brain can think of nothing but eating, peoples behaviour becomes quite extreme. Some people do overcome it - those who starve themselves to try to save their children, for example. But that's an enormous external motivation.
There's a bit of cognitive dissonance in seeing a hugely fat person and trying to imagine that their nervous system is for some reason acting like they are starving. It's a lot easier to imagine that they just don't have the willpower to resist that extra snack, which is a situation a lot more familiar to most of us. But it seems likely that the further is more correct.
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#195> In 2016, Pontzer and colleagues published a study putting forward the constrained energy model: Energy expenditure does increase with more activity, but only to a point. Once physical activity gets really high, the body will adjust other components of the metabolism to keep your daily energy expenditure within a narrow range How do people who constantly repeat the mantra of thermodynamics in such threads explain th…
My maximum effort in a day was an 8 hour off road bike ride. I burned 3500kCal just from the riding, as measured by a power meter. The body can’t even absorb enough carbs to replace that in the same time.
There is some difference in efficiency between people for muscular exercise - between 20% and 25% of energy burned actually gets converted to work.
And no people cannot extract more or less. They can absorb more or less in total for carbs - between 80 to 120 g/hr balanced between glucose and fructose is the limit for most people.
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a citation on that 0.1%? I'd love to learn more.
The number one in a thousand is simply a ballpark figure that is frequently used in nutritional science. There are literally hundreds of papers, and not all of them are good (you should look at the parameters because many of them are quite lax), but here are a few examples easily found online. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/030646... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/(SICI)1098-1.…
Your initial statement is completely misleading and shockingly you have provided hard evidence against it.
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#197I can't remember the source, but I remember hearing that the two demographics in society who average at a healthy BMI were endurance athletes and vegans. I struggled through my 20s to keep my weight under 200 lbs at 6ft tall. Then I went vegan 4 years ago, and started running during the pandemic. Nothing crazy, just 5-8 km once or twice per week when it's nice out, and lots of beans and tofu in place of meat and dair…
B12 is the big obvious one, but you should also check out vitamins K2 and A (beta-carotene is only converted by about 70% of people), as well as carnitine, zinc, iron and iodine.
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
So why is obesity getting worse recently when Adenoviruses has always existed?
A hypothesis is outlined in the article I linked to above. https://www.geneticlifehacks.com/weight-loss-genetics-obesit... "If the adenovirus infections are playing a role in our obesity epidemic, this would need to be due to infections rising, starting around the early 1980s, when obesity levels started steadily increasing. I mentioned above that obesity has doubled since 1980 — and that adenovirus seropositivity ha…
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#199I can't remember the source, but I remember hearing that the two demographics in society who average at a healthy BMI were endurance athletes and vegans. I struggled through my 20s to keep my weight under 200 lbs at 6ft tall. Then I went vegan 4 years ago, and started running during the pandemic. Nothing crazy, just 5-8 km once or twice per week when it's nice out, and lots of beans and tofu in place of meat and dair…
Re: The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy?
#200I'm a participant in runner groups. I was surprised to meet several exceptional runners with stories of moving from very unhealthy/overweight to their current level of marathoner+. Several of them had success not just with intermittent fasting, but prolonged fasting. Humans can run when they feel like you have no energy. It's hard to believe that this isn't a psychological and behavioral issue: >A 30 percent reductio…
But, I was also always hungry. Mostly not starving, but just hungry. I could eat a big meal, that made my stomach feel physically full, even painfully so and still have the feeling of hunger.
Of course, I also understood that on pure physics terms it really is calories out vs calories in that makes the difference. So I did try to eat less.
Also, you read and see people eating a salad and at the end saying, "oh, I feel so full". I always tyhought they were lying, because that never happened to me, so I kind of dismissed it as bragging or something.
Now, could I eat less food? Yes, of course, but it's always a struggle. Every day, all day. And if you fail once, that's that week's gains gone. Imagine there's a fly that's buzzing around your face 24/7 and you can't swat it away, you just have to live with it and if you have a bad day and swat it away for just a bit, you get fat.
Some time ago I took ozempic for the first time and that's when I realized that yes, in fact, it is possible to eat a salad and feel satisified and full after that. Even after more than a year on semaglutide I'm still amazed at how little food I actually need. It kind of feels like I should have died by now due to lack of input calories. But I'm feeling great and almost to normal weight now!
For me the change of how I felt was really something I could not even have imagined before, that you could actually not think about food all the time and kindof ignore it and not really get hungry. And eat just a little and feel full. Amazing. But two years ago I could not have imagined that this is possible, as it had never been before.
This of course led to the realization that the opposite is true for some people, who have better regulation of whatever chemical makes you hungry. Apparently there are lots of people for whom feeling hungry after eating a large meal seems impossible. And since this is something they have never experienced, it's not really reasonable to expect them to understand or be able to imagine it. I wasn't able to imagine the reverse!
So yes, it is possible for everyone to lose weight just by commiting. But it is much harder to commit in a specific area for some people than others. Commiting to a lifetime of always being hungry is very very hard over the long term.