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Google lays off hundreds working on its voice-activated assistant

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Re: Google lays off hundreds working on its voice-activated assistant

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And suppose you have a spouse with a career that isn't so mobile? Language barriers? Work visas? Elderly parents? Tons of reasons people can't just up and migrate at the drop of a hat.

Millions of people leave their spouses, kids and parents to move to another country for work. Most don't even work anywhere adjacent to tech. We call them migrants. If you're ambitious/hungry enough, you'll do whatever it takes.

Most of those millions also have miserable lives in their new host country, and indeed do it simply out of necessity.

If IT goes that way, I would rather move to the countryside and grow my own food, than become an international wage slave who moves wherever our rich overlords want.

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Why involve voice at all? Sounds like it needs about 4 buttons.

Sounds like all we needed were really fast horses too.

Except they didn't invent a car. They invented a complex device to drive the existing horses.

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I feel like this has been a theme for the last year - big tech companies with big profits doing mass layoffs. We've seen Microsoft, Facebook, Goggle, Spotify etc all do this. It's this whole obsession with the word "efficiency" and the phrase "doing more with less." It really makes you think these CEOs are all a bunch of sheep. See: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/11/techs-new-business-model-do-...

The craziest thing to me is that the employees at these companies are some of the most sought after people yet when push comes to shove they seem to have all just rolled over and not raised a fuss with layoffs. These companies are some of the most profitable companies of all time. It's not like I think everyone needs to run out and join a union but the seeming complete lack of torches and pitchforks internally is a h…

These are some pretty luxurious layoffs by comparison, I think. Generally the benefits packages are excellent.

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From what I saw in the UK, the Jan 2023 layoffs (the 12k) had a lot of people redeployed. Of the 3 people I knew personally impacted by it, 2 were redeployed elsewhere in the business (1 eng, 1 HR). I know it happened extensively in at least one other country too.

A company that plans ahead a little can also relocate top talent BEFORE the layoff rounds start, and even relocate people they want to get rid of TO the part of the or where layoffs are coming. I'm sure some orgs stealthily start planning this months if not years ahead of such events, especially if they identify that they have unproductive people on board that are difficult to fire the regular way (like European empl…

Are there (m)any countries where they can't pay off an employee to resign?

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Yep, like I said, whistling in the dark.

So basically you have nothing. Thanks for confirming I guess.

I already pointed out there's going to be legacy work for a while, especially in certain specialisations.

Everything else "AI powered developers are going to startup all the things!!!" is just hype by some poster literally calling themselves (ironically I hope) ChatGPT.

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It's the end of an industry as we knew it. There will be demand for developers in some very specific sectors and specialities, and some legacy code support for a while, but likely most of us will be out of work within the next few years. Some people are claiming "things will pick up again Real Soon Now, you'll see" but they are whistling in the dark.

> It's the end of an industry as we knew it. I was considering agreeing that "the old Silicon Valley" was probably no more. > There will be demand for developers in some very specific sectors and specialities Yea.... > and some legacy code support for a while, Well sure, we still famously have Cobol... > but likely most of us will be out of work within the next few years. Hmm. Uh. > "things will pick up again Real So…

I see very little evidence for it coming back. The economy in aggregate may be healthy (depending where you live) but that doesn't mean software developers will be in much demand.

Re: Google lays off hundreds working on its voice-activated assistant

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So what's a good employer now, now that Google has been losing the reputation for treating employees well? (Multiple rounds of laying off people isn't treating only those people poorly, but also increasing stress for the people who remain, knowing they can suddenly be laid off as well.)

> Multiple rounds of laying off people isn't treating only those people poorly, but also increasing stress for the people who remain, knowing they can suddenly be laid off as well. How is this not just "business"? That's what Google is. Granted, they make billions of dollars a quarter and it won't hurt them to keep employees around. But every company I've ever worked for over the last decades has laid people off, mad…

Even so - I don't have a moral objection to profit motive, I just think they're going about it wrong.

There is one large shift happening now in the industry, to AI. Google will need tons of talent to rise to the challenge. There have been other such shifts before (social, mobile). In the past, Google handled these shifts very differently, by retraining and reorganizing engineering staff, which had for the most part been hired for its generalist ability and could therefore jump to other areas. The theory was that there wasn't a need to know the domain too much, since you were going to reinvent it anyways. It worked exceptionally well for a lot of things. People there didn't build data centers using techniques from the field, they didn't build maps like ESRI or Navteq, etc.

Now it seems to handle it differently, through layoffs that give their employees clear signals that the company will look outside for talent first. Employees are no longer valued as adaptable generalist hires but as narrow-function cogs.

That's a strategic mistake, because the AI field is still so nascent and full of hacks that generalists able to handle novel challenges in innovative ways are so sorely needed. It isn't a mature space at all and outside hires - at the scale that will be needed - will almost certainly be of lower quality and productivity.

What would make sense if they wanted to increase profits: routinely cut low performers to keep people motivated to do their best, and completely drop entire business lines that are losses for the company. It doesn't seem like either thing is happening. By their own admission, it's not the lowest performers that get cut ("role eliminations"), and businesses that cause losses are expected to continue operating with less staff. Staff cuts don't fix structurally lossy businesses, they just make them limp longer. It seems like it's setting up these businesses for a long and painful agony.

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Wow... What is going on it tech? We are just 10 days in the new year and every day there has been surprise layoffs! Unity Twitch Several startups And now.. Google! This is at the same time when stocks are almost all time high :).

Companies have started to understand that tech workers are overpaid and now that it’s no longer a workers market, they can lay off people in large numbers, rehire later at far lower prices.

Re: Google lays off hundreds working on its voice-activated assistant

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It’s interesting. I had not heard the latest. Their initial videos looked promising. I ordered a rabbit r1. I can see it’s missing some key functionality (Bluetooth for headphones so everyone doesn’t have to hear?) But… I think it’s an example of a first, promising, step to the era of real voice assistants/agents.

> Bluetooth for headphones so everyone doesn’t have to hear? This is a critical missing feature. I would never ever use this unless it's in my ear alone. And I hope it doesn't become socially acceptable to be carrying these around forcing everyone else to listen to whatever this device has to tell the user. There is already far too many noise and inconsiderate people in this world.

But how is the input side sufficiently compatible with any state other than being alone? Voice surely does not qualify?

Even gesture control would be a tough sell, and even that only if it's not "AR, where you push buttons projected across your field of vision" but "AR, where you can do the equivalent of gamepad buttons with hand movement anywhere the device can see the hand". Voice output (earbuds) would be far too slow for that kind of interaction, because you can't skim a list. Compared to the strictly sequential nature of audio, screens are the equivalent of embarrassingly parallel.

By the way, that slowness of voice output vs screen is also what I consider the true motivation companies had for creating those essentially free voice assistants: searching for product/service on a screen, even if it's just a small handheld screen, makes you pick from a list. With voice in the other hand, going through the list is so slow and cumbersome that the chances for just picking the first, "I'm feeling lucky", are much, much bigger. The value of placement (bought directly or bought indirectly, "this must be very relevant because we know how much they can spend on our other ad services") is just so much bigger with voice. Chances are people are less likely to listen to the second hit on voice than to go to the second page on screen.

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I agree that its transcribing accuracy is better (largely thanks to general progress in neural nets rather than anything Assistant did as a product). However transcription accuracy was already surprisingly good many years ago, and in my experience any improvement since has been swamped by actually reduced reliability in understanding intent and performing actions. Ultimately it doesn't matter if it misheard me or got…

One difference I have noticed is that it used to be when I said "five minute timer" it would maybe ten percent of the time hear "five minutes timer" and decide it should search youtube for matching videos. Nowadays, it seems to treat "five minutes timer" and "five minute timer" as equal, but I get more silent misses where it ignores everything I said. On the other hand, I gave up some kinds of requests. For instance,…

> On the other hand, I gave up some kinds of requests.

Those kinds of things seem to work absolutely flawlessly for me lately. I had similarly given up on those requests. Heck I had given up on setting timers since that just plain stopped working. A month ago or so I tried changing navigation by voice while driving and to my surprise it worked fine. Since then I've been picking up my use of the assistant more and have yet to have a miss. My main gripe is the trigger word being kinda iffy at times, but I suspect that's due to me still rocking the original pixel. As I understand it the trigger word stuff runs locally so is dependent on your hardware being good.

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