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More Teens Who Use Marijuana Are Suffering from Psychosis

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I was a stoner and lost years of my life because while I wasn’t a total loser (I was making bank as a swe) I didn’t make much forward momentum.

I quit cold turkey a few years ago and now my vice is maybe I’ll drink a couple of beers or wine a couple times a year on special occasions.

I am much better creatively compared to just thinking I’m creative because weed knocked my IQ down by 20-40 points and anything seems “interesting” and groundbreaking there lol.

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post #5

“I see more psychotic people here than I did in Detroit. We’re just making this huge population of people who we can no longer fix.”

I believe this is true, but I expect that many people will refuse to accept it. Giving up on someone is super cruel, after all. But it certainly looks like some fellow citizens are beyond recovery. And then it's only prudent to make a plan on how we want to manage living in a society together with these people. Pure capitalism says that if they are too sick to work, they'll get no money and starve. But most people ar…

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Ok then. If we take the hypothesis at face value, what is to be done about it? Prohibition obviously isn't a solution as that's the status quo - it's already illegal for teens to buy and consume cannabis.

You almost make it sound as if there are no solutions :)

Education is an idea, let people know what the risks are and what symptons are to go see a doctor. This could be a mandatory magazine at shops.

People at risk could get better treatment, just someone to talk to about their strugles in life can be very helpful.

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post #18

Won’t have the space/time to respond fully, but the allusions to bipolar disease and, especially, schizophrenia need to be viewed quite cautiously. I do not believe these disorders are thought to originate from environmental factors present in late teenage years. Thus, we should expect a large increase in these diagnoses if cannabis is indeed a causative agent that is now more attainable than it used to be. Also, ind…

There is not one single cause for the onset of psychosis but many factors at play. Cannabis use can be a cause. Early interception of people at risk and treatment, does bring down the number of young people having a first psychosis.

I am not disagreeing that cannabis may be a cause.

This kind of article doesn’t offer any evidence toward the idea outside correlations - and this kind of correlation is very tenuous.

A good example to demonstrate the idea is the outsized use of tobacco products amongst those with ADHD diagnoses. Do we immediately conclude that ADHD rates are influenced by the availability of cigarettes? Or can we instead ask how nicotine may influence neural circuits that are abnormal in ADHD?

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I’m noticing that these sorts of articles are always from the WSJ.

Yes we have a free press in America with diverse viewpoints. It's like rhe first schools that were integrated in the South in the 60s. One token African American in a white school was called integration.One mainstream national paper with conservative editorials in a sea of progressive papers is considered a diverse and free paper media. Besides that, I would pouint out that most WSJ news articles particularly on social issues are mostly liberally slanted these days. Any conservatism is restricted to the editorial side.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this is true, but I expect that many people will refuse to accept it. Giving up on someone is super cruel, after all. But it certainly looks like some fellow citizens are beyond recovery. And then it's only prudent to make a plan on how we want to manage living in a society together with these people. Pure capitalism says that if they are too sick to work, they'll get no money and starve. But most people ar…

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Re: More Teens Who Use Marijuana Are Suffering from Psychosis

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I am not anti-legalization but marijuana is a drug and needs to respected as such. Legalization has enabled people to consume high amounts of THC frequently and we're seeing adverse effects from it. Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome was something unheard of a few years ago

We have done what humans do with their quest for maximizing everything and have twisted the plant so that the THC is out of balance with the rest of the cananbinoids in the plant. I'm no doctor, but from what I've read and listened to in seminars, the plants with a better balance is much better for medicinal use.

The quiet part people don't want to be said out loud is that the medical play was just to get the ball rolling towards legalization. Now that it is in several states, we're doing to marijuana what we did to IPAs and microbrews. Do everything you can to maximize disregarding the overall effect unless that desired effect is just getting wasted.

Re: More Teens Who Use Marijuana Are Suffering from Psychosis

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post #8

I saw this in the 80s when I worked in a psyche ward. Also knew people in college this happened to. Not a new thing just worse with more potent pot. People downplay these things but I wouldn't wish psychosis on my worst enemy.

This. I consider myself very lucky. Smoked on and off for the first couple of years while at college and then one day I had a full blown psychotic episode. I genuinely believed I was dead and in hell. It took me a whole year quitting all drugs (caffeine, alcohol, marijuana) to begin to feel somewhat normal again. It's been about 12 years since that day and it feels like a distant memory.

Re: More Teens Who Use Marijuana Are Suffering from Psychosis

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post #23

Ok then. If we take the hypothesis at face value, what is to be done about it? Prohibition obviously isn't a solution as that's the status quo - it's already illegal for teens to buy and consume cannabis.

You almost make it sound as if there are no solutions :) Education is an idea, let people know what the risks are and what symptons are to go see a doctor. This could be a mandatory magazine at shops. People at risk could get better treatment, just someone to talk to about their strugles in life can be very helpful.

You can make reading material mandatory to be handed out, but you can't make it be read. Even if you forced the person to read it then and there at time of purchase, it will just be glanced over similar to software EULA/TOS crap on apps/websites.

Ignoring that these are teenagers that are going to do whatever they want because that's what a teenager does just means that you're going to waste your time.

Re: More Teens Who Use Marijuana Are Suffering from Psychosis

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is not one single cause for the onset of psychosis but many factors at play. Cannabis use can be a cause. Early interception of people at risk and treatment, does bring down the number of young people having a first psychosis.

I am not disagreeing that cannabis may be a cause. This kind of article doesn’t offer any evidence toward the idea outside correlations - and this kind of correlation is very tenuous. A good example to demonstrate the idea is the outsized use of tobacco products amongst those with ADHD diagnoses. Do we immediately conclude that ADHD rates are influenced by the availability of cigarettes? Or can we instead ask how nic…

The article links to this Lancet study, which does start to go beyond just correlation.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S2215-0366(19)30048-3/full...

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