For those interested in a good writeup on the subject, this explains alot of why Air Travel is vulnerable:
https://medium.com/@angelinatsuboi/detecting-hacker-aircraft...
Also, here's a link to the github:
Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
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Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#12The evidence shows that the contrary. Has a plane ever gone down from “electronic warfare?” If a motivated adversary know you have a defence, they will find a way around it, meaning you can only go so far in defence
> Has a plane ever gone down from “electronic warfare?” I
What do you mean?
Obviously Iran used electronic warfare to capture a drone - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incid...
Has a non targeted civilian plane crashed from the result of electronic warfare in the area? Not that I known of.
Close calls - https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/docs/cb/cb_473.pdf but I guess as you claim checks and balances kept them alive.
The title is "Not Ready" so it's a call to action as this stuff ramps up.
It's not just crashes. If you have a scare you are not prepared for then airlines avoid air space that's a big deal.
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#13It would probably be a good idea for Starlink in-flight WiFi to provide position information, so pilots could use a phone/laptop as an emergency backup.
Starlink is harder to jam than GPS, because the signals are strong and directional.
There is precedent for using consumer tech in an emergency. After the Qantas 32 explosion, the pilots used cell phones to contact the airline because most of the plane's radios were dead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS9rYWfdC9w&t=1577s
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#14The evidence shows that the contrary. Has a plane ever gone down from “electronic warfare?” If a motivated adversary know you have a defence, they will find a way around it, meaning you can only go so far in defence
>The evidence shows that the contrary. Has a plane ever gone down from “electronic warfare?” Does the fact that no one has killed me yet indicate that I'm immortal?
No, but assuming most of your friends and family haven't been murdered, we may assume murder is unlikely to be the cause of your death.
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#15The author seems to believe that GPS is the only and primary form of navigation.
Pilots in the US are trained from day one to use landmarks and dead-reckoning. From there the skills are built upon to where I believe it would be difficult to push a crew to such a gross navigational error that it causes disaster.
I’ll need to read the article more closely but it appears to be a lot of fluff and leaves out the many layers of navigation still available.
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#16The evidence shows that the contrary. Has a plane ever gone down from “electronic warfare?” If a motivated adversary know you have a defence, they will find a way around it, meaning you can only go so far in defence
The other way to look at it: there are old planes still running that seem unlikely to have an installed GPS. Air flight pre-dates GPS.
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#17For the past 10 years I've been travelling to Russia occasionally. Normally during a flight I like opening up my GPS app to check the location, altitude and speed of the aicraft.
About a year ago I noticed that shortly after crossing Russias border the GPS stopped working. Initially I thought it was a glitch, but after a few flights it became obvious that something was going on, probably the signal was baing jammed.
Interesting that close to landing when the altitude is lower than 200m, the signal is restored.
It's unclear to me how the plane is navigating though if the GPS is jammed. Very weird...
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#18The author seems to believe that GPS is the only and primary form of navigation. Pilots in the US are trained from day one to use landmarks and dead-reckoning. From there the skills are built upon to where I believe it would be difficult to push a crew to such a gross navigational error that it causes disaster. I’ll need to read the article more closely but it appears to be a lot of fluff and leaves out the many laye…
It's mostly fear mongering for Regular Joe, along with:
> Another important development was Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Vastly outnumbered in jets and tanks, Ukrainians quickly jury-rigged a miniature air force out of off-the-shelf drones carrying improvised munitions
Lol, Ukrainians were watching videos from Syria and Afghanistan and implementing ISIS tactics for years before 2022.
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#19For the past 10 years I've been travelling to Russia occasionally. Normally during a flight I like opening up my GPS app to check the location, altitude and speed of the aicraft. About a year ago I noticed that shortly after crossing Russias border the GPS stopped working. Initially I thought it was a glitch, but after a few flights it became obvious that something was going on, probably the signal was baing jammed.…
GPS isn’t the only navigation tool. INS is pretty accurate if you zero it correctly, and VOR is good enough to keep to a specific airway.
Re: Air travel is not ready for electronic warfare
#20For the past 10 years I've been travelling to Russia occasionally. Normally during a flight I like opening up my GPS app to check the location, altitude and speed of the aicraft. About a year ago I noticed that shortly after crossing Russias border the GPS stopped working. Initially I thought it was a glitch, but after a few flights it became obvious that something was going on, probably the signal was baing jammed.…
This? https://www.defenseone.com/defense-systems/2023/12/russia-ja...
As for planes, can they do GLONASS?