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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by some-guy »

I've been at the same enterprise SaaS company for 10 years. Personally? Staying at the same company for a long time while performing well gave me some options I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Like OP, the culture has shifted drastically with COVID and the post-ZIRP environment we live in.

When RTO began, my spouse got a job which would have required me to move away and make it impossible to meet in-office numbers. Thankfully I requested remote and it was approved, now I'm living in a low-COL area while doing the same job. Most people in my position don't get remote approval. Hence I'm basically stuck here--looking around for available remote positions, my TC would be in most cases cut in half.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by mt_ »

Is is just me, this post and this [1] one are just people complaining about RTO? If you were hired during COVID lockdown with the promise of your career buing built on remote only, fine but lay yourself off and move on. Else it's not entirely justifiable to be mad at AWS for RTO policies. From an outside perspective AWS looks very healthy and ouputing great innovation.

[1]. https://justingarrison.com/blog/2023-12-30-amazons-silent-sa...

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by dilyevsky »

corytheboyd wrote: post #15

The big RSU grant is depleted and you don’t get a new one that is comparable in size. There is zero reason not to leave in this case, because you will absolutely make way more money by leaving. You can even leave and rejoin the same company to get another grant, as dumb as that is. Make sure you actually ask for a new grant before quitting, nobody is going to give you money for free. You also need to be good but that…

> because you will absolutely make way more money by leaving

That is a pre-2023 advice my friend, unless you’ve been there like 10yrs or an ai researcher or something

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by scorpioxy »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #3
doublerabbit wrote: post #2

Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

Two years for a company that isn't horrendous to work for. If it is clearly not working out - a no brainer - then just leave. Might be on day 1!

Funny you mention that. Looking back, there's at least one company that I should've left on day 1. The flags now look bright red. But my thinking back then was that I'm probably wrong with my understanding of the situation - maybe this, maybe that. There's an emotional undertaking when you leave your old role and show up at a new place and there's bound to be some struggle.

That place was a disaster. I mean the half-the-team-ends-up-leaving kinda disaster.

Figuring out when "it's you and not me" takes a lot of introspection and that's usually accompanied by a lot of self doubt. You can't really tell except long after the fact.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by garrickvanburen »

lucidguppy wrote: post #34

I don't understand this fascination with central offices. We live in the year 2024. We should be able to look at our workforce, find small offices, and have hub and spoke networks of offices - and work from home as a fallback. Rent a condo, do a communal office, if you want more close collaboration - shuffle your teams to colocate them - not force them into 1hr commutes into a fucking empty office. Our infrastructure…

Fully agree. My weekly email rant was on how anti-customer offices are. https://forstarters.substack.com/p/for-starters-13-there-are...

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by iwontberude »

lucidguppy wrote: post #34

I don't understand this fascination with central offices. We live in the year 2024. We should be able to look at our workforce, find small offices, and have hub and spoke networks of offices - and work from home as a fallback. Rent a condo, do a communal office, if you want more close collaboration - shuffle your teams to colocate them - not force them into 1hr commutes into a fucking empty office. Our infrastructure…

I wish they would stop trying to force us into shared working spaces. They can make me work from home, a close office, a far office... I don't care. Just give me a private office and I will do my best work. At home, I don't have room for a private office, so they would need to relocate me and cover a portion of the rent for their office. I am not a contractor. I am an employee. I don't control any of my working conditions and I shouldn't have to pay out of pocket for it.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by iamthirsty »

BeetleB wrote: post #9
doublerabbit wrote: post #2

Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

> If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. SV bubble. Getting a promotion every 2.5 years is very rare in traditional engineering companies.

As you get closer to the top, people keep their positions longer and there are generally less of them. Natural progression.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by stvltvs »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #23
choppaface wrote: post #5

Always have an engaging side project or non-work interest (a family even!). A slow-growth company is torture if you have to give it 100% of your attention. But in some cases you can turn corporate disfunction into a means to fund your own interests.

Let’s not conflate slow-growth with corporate dysfunction.

I'm currently dealing with corporate dysfunction due to fast growth.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

auspiv wrote: post #30
opportune wrote: post #13

Definitely feeling this at another FAANG I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days). Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. Wi…

My company does week in-office, then week remote. Quite a bit of flexibility during the in-office weeks too if you have a doctor appt or whatever. I personally really like it. People get stuff done in-office, and then during the remote weeks we bust stuff out that doesn't need to be face-to-face. We are not at all a tech company.

I'm hybrid too, and while I personally like it overall [1], it doesn't help with one of the main sticking points regarding remote work vs in-office: Needing to live within commuting distance of an office. It's expensive, it limits people with kids to certain school districts etc. — In some ways it's the worst of both worlds for some people.

[1] I however, really, really dislike going into the office only to have a bunch of zoom meetings anyway.

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