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Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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For me, the main sign that it's time to leave a company is when I start fantasizing regularly about leaving the company.

My gut seems to be wiser than my head on this stuff. Nearly every time that I've moved on, it's turned out to be the right call in hindsight.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#33

The big RSU grant is depleted and you don’t get a new one that is comparable in size. There is zero reason not to leave in this case, because you will absolutely make way more money by leaving. You can even leave and rejoin the same company to get another grant, as dumb as that is. Make sure you actually ask for a new grant before quitting, nobody is going to give you money for free. You also need to be good but that…

Smaller refreshes than the original grant are a clear message from management that they don't necessarily want you around, but you aren't underperforming so much as to want to bother with the hassle of a Pip. In any place that isn't massively dysfunctional, a manager can hand out large enough refreshes to the people they want to keep in the long run.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#34
I don't understand this fascination with central offices. We live in the year 2024. We should be able to look at our workforce, find small offices, and have hub and spoke networks of offices - and work from home as a fallback.

Rent a condo, do a communal office, if you want more close collaboration - shuffle your teams to colocate them - not force them into 1hr commutes into a fucking empty office.

Our infrastructure is now ephemeral on the cloud - why can't we be more flexible with our work situation?

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#35
post #9

Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

> If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. SV bubble. Getting a promotion every 2.5 years is very rare in traditional engineering companies.

Yep. All this is telling me ie that there are still a bunch of sheltered HN users that are in for a rude shock when they see what it’s like to work long-term in an environment without free money keeping everything afloat. A lot of you have been living in a make-believe world.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#36

Definitely feeling this at another FAANG I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days). Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. Wi…

Do you mark a difference between hybrid where not everyone goes in on the same days and hybrid where everyone goes in on the same days and stays away on the same days?

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#37

Other signs for me personally: * Sales schedules dictate product development timelines rather than the other way around * Leadership thinks about practical operational/logistics issues only when forced to * The importance of "culture" is brought up without fail when talking about working from the office, and never at other times * Leadership is fond of setting goals and deathly allergic to providing incentives

I agree with all but the last, as I think it's debatable.

> Leadership is fond of setting goals and deathly allergic to providing incentives

Goals are good, in any way, as long as their portioned right.

And at the level most people this is targeted to are working at, is the rather large salary supposed to be the incentive?

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#38

- Investors are priority over customers - Getting stonewalled at every opportunity to be heard - Drastic change in ownership with nonsensical goals - Family ran company with lots of family infighting and drama - An office full of cokeheads Some of my personal faves.

> - An office full of cokeheads

Ah, the 80's. What a time.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two years six months is also a reasonable time as some companies have salary discussions only once per year.First time around, you might have only been at the company for a short time, after your first full year you might not be able to, want to go for a salary raise or you might not get it, but if you don't get it the second time, it's a sign that is hard to ignore This is, though, with an asterisk that you made a r…

Salary discussions can happen at any time, though. Restricting it to once per year is just delaying tactic. If you resign and they want or need you, all of sudden everything is possible

Vast majority of large, publicly traded companies (at least in the US) only do pay determination (and associated raises) once per year. Promotions can definitely happen whenever but there may be a cycle associated with that as well.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

#40
"Customers don’t care what the companies buildings are like."

They never could, yet their experience is shaped by the buildings employees use. Having been moved to a hybrid office and lost my private office -- my work suffered and so did the work of my colleagues. By not taking real estate seriously, my company is pushing me to look for work elsewhere. I don't want to waste my thirties doing crappy work because I don't have an office to work in.

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