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Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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- Investors are priority over customers

- Getting stonewalled at every opportunity to be heard

- Drastic change in ownership with nonsensical goals

- Family ran company with lots of family infighting and drama

- An office full of cokeheads

Some of my personal faves.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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post #9

Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

> If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. SV bubble. Getting a promotion every 2.5 years is very rare in traditional engineering companies.

A promotion? Sure. But not even a modest raise in 2.5 years, that's not a good sign.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Definitely feeling this at another FAANG

I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days).

Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. With hybrid I feel like I never know how to contact someone and can never expect a quick reply (with remote, sure someone could go AWOL still, but there was less ambiguity on if they were just commuting or doing something in the office). I’ve had skip managers/directors who I’m almost certain are barely working and just milking out huge salaries while hiding behind their remote status. I’ve seen people join and leave teams from random offices all over the world, never onboarding fully and never truly getting it. It’s awful.

I want people to have flexibility and I think full-remote culture works just as well as fully-onsite works - everyone is in “one place” whether it’s in collaboration software or in person. But this sucks.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

Maybe I'm the old man in the room, but I worked for non-tech companies for the first twenty years of my career.

No promotions, no perks and no real change in benefits is the norm for the vast majority of American workers.

What's wrong with getting paid a reasonable amount of money for a career you enjoy and are good at?

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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The big RSU grant is depleted and you don’t get a new one that is comparable in size. There is zero reason not to leave in this case, because you will absolutely make way more money by leaving. You can even leave and rejoin the same company to get another grant, as dumb as that is. Make sure you actually ask for a new grant before quitting, nobody is going to give you money for free. You also need to be good but that’s a given if you’ve been around for 3-4 years (however your RSU vesting works)

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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post #14

Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

Maybe I'm the old man in the room, but I worked for non-tech companies for the first twenty years of my career. No promotions, no perks and no real change in benefits is the norm for the vast majority of American workers. What's wrong with getting paid a reasonable amount of money for a career you enjoy and are good at?

The fact that the ownership is capturing a huge multiple of your effort and you could go somewhere else to capture more of the money you create?

Let's invert it - why should I just make my boss more money forever while I get the same cut?

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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post #14

Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

Maybe I'm the old man in the room, but I worked for non-tech companies for the first twenty years of my career. No promotions, no perks and no real change in benefits is the norm for the vast majority of American workers. What's wrong with getting paid a reasonable amount of money for a career you enjoy and are good at?

You valued your time differently than others value theirs. Every hour you’re paid for is an hour of life you’ll never get back.

Comfortable gig with adequate comp for some, “fuck you pay me” for others. We’re all replaceable, and you never know when you’ll run out of time and be unemployable (through no fault of your own). Maybe people just learned being reasonable got them nowhere. Sometimes it does, but not most of the time.

I assure you estimated attrition rates and compensation controls are built into spreadsheets somewhere. I’ve seen such artifacts at more than one org.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Hit the nail in the head. A growing company has plenty of opportunity for learning, promotion, making new things, and retooling old ones to match the growth of business. This means there are very few zero sum games, either at the IC or management level.

When growth stops, there's little chances to gain status by solving problems: Someone already has status, and really doesn't want to lose it. Those frustrated with the lack of growth, and who have good skills applicable somewhere else will leave. The people that stay are those that have fewer opportunities to find something better elsewhere. So when you see an architect/principal engineer that has been there for 15 years, you know they know that they'd not be hired at the same level anywhere with more chances of growth: Those people have already left.

This is why i understand the middle manager that tries to empire build: If you don't have growth opportunities, your top subordinates will leave you, and with them your group's performance.

There are other reasons to leave a company, like if you see good chances that you'll dislike your boss and they will remain your boss for at least another year, but the lack of growth will always be bad.

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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Two years and six months. If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. Waiting with the mindset of "maybe I will this year" will only cause you mental anguish, to the point you'll become disgruntled and end up shooting yourself in the foot. Why two years six months? It's takes three months of constant effort just to score an interview/new job and thr…

Jumping ship stops bringing in more money once you get old, unless you transition to management (which not all of us can or want to do).

Re: Signs that it's time to leave a company

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The big RSU grant is depleted and you don’t get a new one that is comparable in size. There is zero reason not to leave in this case, because you will absolutely make way more money by leaving. You can even leave and rejoin the same company to get another grant, as dumb as that is. Make sure you actually ask for a new grant before quitting, nobody is going to give you money for free. You also need to be good but that…

You will have to re-interview to get a new grant, and even for a strong performer with a well-established historical track record at the company can be a very probabilistic event.
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