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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Post by d1sxeyes »

cfrog wrote: post #338

I would have liked to have seen the increase in terms of percent of total population; I was surprised this wasn't shared automatically to provide context. Showing the base numbers as totals or percentage of totals always provides a clearer picture. 2 to 4 percent is a 100% increase, and of interest across large populations, but it's much less dramatic when phrased as an increase from 2 to 4%. Likewise, if population…

It’s worth reading some of the other posts on this blog.

There a lot of very thoughtful consideration that goes into how the data is looked at for every post, and frank and earnest discussions of how much credence their conclusions merit given the quality of the data.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

chasd00 wrote: post #703
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #438

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Capitalism (an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit) was invented prior to written history so the reformation only exists in the context of private property being a core assumption of society. That assumption is NEW in the history of humanity, the concept of "property" has only existed for about 50,000 years The protestant reformation then was an att…

anti-capitalism ideas, so great they're mandatory and a wall built around you so you can't flee to somewhere else - everywhere it's been tried

I’m sorry that you’re ignorant of every single indigenous culture but that’s really not my problem

No matter, you’ll simply make the following argument: that might makes right because those indigenous cultures couldn’t stand up to the genocidal domination tactics of property based thought right?

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Post by bentcorner »

Sleaker wrote: post #205

Good to see more indepth research on this the last article I had read was asserting the social media access theory was correlation and not causatory because studies that were done in mental resiliency were showing that if you have built the resiliency then you can safely handle the social media... But it seems like that explanation doesn't take into account the developing mind. Love haidt's work and glad to see there…

I've seen similar claims (social media is correlation and not causation) and it does seem plausible to me.

What I haven't seen so far (and it's possible this data exists, I'll admit to not exactly looking for it) is studies around parental consumption of social media and the impacts it has on their children.

IMO social media/advertising can have amplification effects by targeting parents.

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

WalterBright wrote: post #467
jdksmdbtbdnmsm wrote: post #457

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"The problem with capitalism is not that it creates problems for humans but that it exploits the problems that we would have regardless, drastically exacerbating the consequences." –Chris Cutrone

Capitalism solved many problems, like regular famines.

Are farm subsidies capitalism? https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/cutting-federal-farm-sub...

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Post by wvenable »

switchbak wrote: post #699
HellDunkel wrote: post #104

What started as a critical blogpost about wokism turned into an worldwide youth mental illness crisis. This raises a few red flag on me.

Jonathan Haidt is a very thoughtful researcher and has been looking at this and related issues for a very long time. I think your dismissal is perhaps a bit too casual.

"the overprotection of children, the rise of “safetyism,” and the shouting down of speakers on university campuses when students deemed the speaker to be “harmful.”

The emphasis is mine. What does that to do with any of this? University students aren't children and, agree or disagree with the result, they are the ones with agency there.

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Post by tonetheman »

chasd00 wrote: post #652
bee_rider wrote: post #101

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I’m amazed that I had to read so many comments complaining about social media before I hit this one. How have so few failed to consider the idea that young people might be correctly anxious and worried about the future which looks, in many ways, pretty grim.

virtually all of that fear and anxiety is generated from consuming click-bait doomer social media.

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Post by asow92 »

timeagain wrote: post #702
labrador wrote: post #671

I remember peer pressure being a big factor in teen years, mostly in the negative. Couldn't the rise of always-connected social media have super charged this negativity and made most teens feel like outcasts, with a few "teenfluencers" determining who is in and who is out? That would be a kind of hell for me to live in who was a teen before all this.

See the movie Eighth Grade for an anxiety inducing exploration of this theme. My personal take is that not having community is devastating, and the issue with social media is that it makes you think you have community in your brain, but your body/heart knows that you are actually just alone in your room. Even worse, it makes you crave a kind of unattainable community, so even people with loving family and friends mig…

> To your pet cat, the difference between you scrolling on your phone and you staring at the wall is nothing.

This stuck with me for a moment, and made me feel like scrolling was effectively doing nothing at all, which is sad and best and sick at worst.

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Post by mantas »

wvenable wrote: post #715
switchbak wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jonathan Haidt is a very thoughtful researcher and has been looking at this and related issues for a very long time. I think your dismissal is perhaps a bit too casual.

"the overprotection of children, the rise of “safetyism,” and the shouting down of speakers on university campuses when students deemed the speaker to be “harmful.” The emphasis is mine. What does that to do with any of this? University students aren't children and, agree or disagree with the result, they are the ones with agency there.

Both are protecting from anything outside of one's comfort zone.

What's next, shout down politicians you don't agree with? That's not how democratical societies work.

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Post by daltont »

fasterik wrote: post #306
grecy wrote: post #35

Do teens have much to look forward to? Climate change is already causing severe weather events, which are very likely to ramp quickly. Careers are a thing of the past, and it seems like no matter how hard you work you'll never "get ahead" and will be lucky not to spend your life living paycheck to paycheck. Life expectancy has gone down, markedly. Debt is up. New wars.

These are definitely problems, but here are some positive points to balance the negative: The price of renewable energy has fallen 99.8% since 1975 [1] and power generation from renewables has increased 800% since 1965 and doubled since 2010 [2] GDP per capita is 5-20 times higher than in 1820 [3] Life expectancy has more than doubled since 1770 [4] Armed conflict causes just 0.2% of global deaths [5] and relations b…

The ironic thing with increase in GDP is that life becomes almost too easy. In the past the difficulty of life didn't require a person to have use as much willpower.

Easier life with things like plentiful food and entertainment options requires willpower to not over-indulge. A factory worker or subsistence farmer didn't have force themselves to exercise or worry about spending to much time watching TV. They had to work to not starve.

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Post by timeagain »

asow92 wrote: post #717
timeagain wrote: post #702

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See the movie Eighth Grade for an anxiety inducing exploration of this theme. My personal take is that not having community is devastating, and the issue with social media is that it makes you think you have community in your brain, but your body/heart knows that you are actually just alone in your room. Even worse, it makes you crave a kind of unattainable community, so even people with loving family and friends mig…

> To your pet cat, the difference between you scrolling on your phone and you staring at the wall is nothing. This stuck with me for a moment, and made me feel like scrolling was effectively doing nothing at all, which is sad and best and sick at worst.

Sorry to make you feel bad, but that exact realization is the reason I don’t do remote work anymore. (I still scroll on my phone here and there!)

A cynic might retort that reading a book is also “doing nothing”, but I think there is a certain physical presence that is missing with the scrolling. Hard to describe, but you know it when you feel it.

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