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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I’m not a parent nor am I a teen so take my comments with a grain of salt. The one thing that has consistently jumped out to me on this topic is how quickly people seem to jump to convenient answers. Of course you can’t ignore the rise of social media since 2010, but what about the level of control, structure, and surveillance that most young people have been subjected to over the same arc of time? That gets no atten…

Kids need more time away from other kids. They're spending too much time in the insane asylum with the other inmates. This leads to bullying, gossiping, comparing themselves against one another. Social media made it worse. Kids at home on the farm, reading books, exploring nature - that was healthy. Now they're addicted to algorithmic peer pressure before their brains can even adjust to filtering it out.

Reacting to your first sentences and ignoring the rest, it made me think of my own cohort on the tail end of Gen X, where there were fewer of us following the masses of boomers and their Gen X echo.

This affects basic things like the ratio of contacts with your own childhood peers versus those of other ages. It also affects how much the media and pop culture seems to cover your interests versus others. In my experience, it was those larger groups who lived in the echo chamber, while we had more isolation or a sense of being on the outside looking in.

Could it be as simple as the anglosphere has been repeating this kind of baby bust? I can only imagine how it would feel to grow up with this sense of otherness plus the panopticon of social media. I am less certain that the angst about global warming etc can explain it. I think we had a comparable zeitgeist with the cold war and environmental concerns.

But, I can also imagine some other environmental or nutritional hypothesis for an anglosphere trend, rather than demographic experiences...

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Our society is teaching us to seek money, power, intelligence, beauty, bodily satisfaction, all of which will never satisfy us. “If you worship money and things — if they are where you tap real meaning in life — then you will never have enough. Never feel you have enough. It’s the truth. Worship your own body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly, and when time and age start showing, you will die…

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Please explain to me how The War In Vietnam is causing a mental health crisis today

Undermining trust in institutions. Prior to the truth of the Vietnam war coming out, ordinary Americans tended to gave the benefit of the doubt to the government. They lost the baby boomer’s trust with Vietnam. Bush 43’s Iraq war did the same to Gen X. For Millenial Americans it was the government’s ruinous response to the 2008 financial crisis. Then the COVID debacle happened. Fast forward to the present moment wher…

and yet all we hear is how the only answer to any problem is more government.

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That's addressed in the post. There is some of that, but there are similar increases in hospitalisation for self-harm, which wouldn't be affected by an increase in awareness of mental illness.

That assumes people aren’t induced towards self harm due to an increased awareness? If you believe suicide or self harm are common (and valid/acceptable) solutions to your issue, would you not be more likely to do so?

This is also complicated by the fact that, if you are about to self-harm or in the population of people verging on self-harm, you are overdue for a mental health diagnosis for depression or a condition like it.

It seems a little circular past this point. You may have diagnosed yourself, but if you saw a doctor, they would do the same.

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I believe the big 2016 bump is due to Trump. Does that have international impact? Since I'm German and still had daily news about his behavior I say yes. As far I can remember we never had so many news about any other US president. I mean Trump was very active on social media and was very attention seeking, much more than other presidents. Why would Trump cause depression? First of all he basically said all the thing…

I agree with most of this but my opinion is that Trump was the symptom, not the cause.

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Do teens have much to look forward to? Climate change is already causing severe weather events, which are very likely to ramp quickly. Careers are a thing of the past, and it seems like no matter how hard you work you'll never "get ahead" and will be lucky not to spend your life living paycheck to paycheck. Life expectancy has gone down, markedly. Debt is up. New wars.

If any of those were the explanation, you would find correlations between people with worsening mental health and those factors.

Is it worse in countries at most risk from climate change? No. Is it worse where financial security is worse? Possibly those with expectations of stable careers do better, but not at the national level from the numbers in the article. Life expectancy is not usually teens main concern, nor is debt. Which new wars correlate with the timing?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I think social media and technology in general ism while important, to some extent a second order effect response to a breakdown in community This is measured in Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone as occurring after 1965-ish[1] through a variety of measures, or for example more recently measuring where couples meet in the US, [2] which were declining well before the 2010s.

The Middletown studies of the 1920s for example noticing decreased community activities such as church attendance pointed the finger at new passive and individual leisure activities such as radio.

While there's a variety of factors Robert Putnam points towards, I think income inequality and it's effect on well-being is the most under appreciated measure. Putman's measures roughly line up with Peter Turchin's[2] Inequality and Well being measures - the 1965 Great society program coincides with a measured high water mark of well being. You can also point to a lot of the measures on the WTF happened in 1971 website as being roughly equivalent.

When people have more money and time for leisure activities, they are more able to engage with their communities and form healthy social bonds. The more time people spend frustrated, screwed over and left behind, the less time and they have for social engagement and other activities like parenting.

[1]https://www.tesd.net/cms/lib/pa01001259/centricity/domain/11...

[2]https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/18h7k9g/ho...

[3]https://peterturchin.com/the-double-helix-of-inequality-and-...

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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The government has gotten enormously bigger and more pervasive since then.

Ok, if you say so.

in the US, prior to 2001 the department of homeland security (a signigicant portion of the government) did not even exist.

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I suppose the interesting question is what parents of non-sick teens are doing differently from parents of sick teens. Is it a property that some teens are inherently more resilient or is it a property that some teens have a different home environment? There's many post-hoc explanations possible but the really interesting question to me is how some aren't sick. Is it just like PTSD where most people who encounter com…

I think the individual makes a lot of difference. Most people can go to a casino and have fun and be fine, most people can go to a bar and hav fun and be fine. Some people can't do either without destroying their life.

I wonder if it is genetic or a memetic spread. If genetic, we should be out of it quickly provided we can boost birth rates.

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Depression is not a rational response though, is it? It's an irrational response that persists even when there is no reason to be unhappy. That's why I give little credence to ideas like those in your link. I don't consider the worldview of depressed people to be valuable to my own life experience.

> It's an irrational response that persists even when there is no reason to be unhappy. What if there is? Generally, we are not very good at judging what makes us happy. Happiness research points to things that many of us are indeed missing in life: physical activity, social connectedness, interacting with nature. The reason for unhappiness might also be internal; bad diet, lack of exercise, etc. throws your body's h…

Let's not conflate unhappiness with depression. Many a depressed person who has tried can tell you that exercise, social contact, and immaculate diet do not cure depression.

They can certainly help a bit sometimes, just like not punching yourself in the face every day while you have a broken leg helps with the pain and makes recovery go more smoothly. But it is not a solution to the underlying problems in many cases.

These things are important to everyone's wellbeing, but there are many, many people who eat like crap and don't exercise who are not clinically depressed. And there are plenty of people living with depression despite being disciplined in these important lifestyle choices.

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