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The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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This reads like it was generated by Heritage Foundation GPT.

“The era of big government is over.” — Bill Clinton, 1990 something We’re still living in Reagan’s World and they still don’t get it.

Big government has increased by leaps and bounds since Reagan's era ended. Just take a look at the federal budget.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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> People blame social media, but they never ask why social media is like that. This is the kind of worldview that comes from years of navel-gazing in a therapist's office. "Why do I beat my kids? ...Because my father beat me! Now that I understand why I do it, I can stop beating my kids..." Or, you could just stop beating your kids. It doesn't matter why it happens, it just matters that it happens. But instead of pre…

> This is the kind of worldview that comes from years of navel-gazing in a therapist's office. "Why do I beat my kids? ...Because my father beat me! Now that I understand why I do it, I can stop beating my kids..." Or, you could just stop beating your kids. Which of these approaches is more likely to result in someone changing their behaviour? Is there any evidence that advice to “just stop X” is as or more effective…

> s there any evidence that advice to “just stop X” is as or more effective than causally aligned methods?

There is clear evidence that taking longer to stop beating your kids is more harmful to them so less effective than just stop beating them.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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People blame social media, but they never ask why social media is like that. I think that the cultural changes that lead to that have been running for far more time than people give credit for, and that social media is just the proverbial canary on the mine that made things explicit. Those changes are multi-generational changes, and more probably there are a multitude of factors behind it. Family structure, economy f…

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. I third blame the use of social and personal ideals over community and connectivity. I fourth blame the lack of independence given to a child to make mistakes and learn. I fifth blame the lack of analogue input in…

> I first blame firstly parenting. People give their child an iPad and walk away. were parents any better 50 years ago? There were no ipads but fathers were much less involved in child rearing. Also - beating up kids was routine. > I second blame introductions to education as a toddler. When you are a toddler and inspired to learn you grow and don't stop. Again , what changed since 2008? Why is this worse now?

Better in the sense that you didn’t learn to just passively consume from a screen and learned to be independent. I’m not convinced that parents becoming involved to the extent they are is actually a net positive. Kids don’t learn to be on their own, to think without a computer or their parents, and have every minute of their day mapped out.

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>We will probably won't find a culprit It's capitalism. That's the answer you're looking for

> It's capitalism We had capitalism for a LONG time before we had the international teen mental illness epidemic.

Not this level of capitalism. The post-war consensus economy of the west had heavy state intervention and economic involvement.

Things started to change towards "free market" neoliberalism (AKA voodoo economics) in around the 1970's, and the rate of the change exploded after the fall of Soviet Union.

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People are quick to blame social media because there are exceedingly plausible mechanisms by which social media could cause such a phenomenon, and there is tremendous profit in doing so and not just of the money variety. State level actors run secret influence campaigns on facebook, and more recently, just create and control whole social media platforms without oversight. The time for skepticism about the scale of th…

Social media didn't cause the problem, but it very much accelerated it. I think the media aspect of it is related to the uptick in 24-hour news that began with Ted Turner and CNN, and got its own acceleration with 9/11. Social media sort of piggybacked onto that and blew it wide open.

"The problem with capitalism is not that it creates problems for humans but that it exploits the problems that we would have regardless, drastically exacerbating the consequences."

–Chris Cutrone

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international (2023)

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Social media is like that because it was deliberately designed to be addictive and we have a decade of documentation to back that up.

Agreed. It's like dining out versus having a healthy home cooked meal. Restaurants will sell you delicious food loaded with sodium, sugar, and fat because they want you to crave their food. Likewise, when you outsource your family values, entertainment, news to social media, you meet a similar problem. Relatedly, beware of the hidden ads in social media. It takes much less money to astroturf a community like reddit t…

For-profit actors make their products as “palatable” as possible. Amazing.

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Is there a reliable overview of all such evidence that you can recommend? >I know you’re all gonna laugh at this Alas it is this attitude itself that might become laughable. I don't get what is so incredibly unbelievable about EMF interacting with biology, and I certainly hope we don't discover this the wrong way.

Unfortunately, there’s not, annd unfortunately a lot of it is really bad. I would just keep up with the studies that are being published and the sources of their funding. The website the environmental health trust has a lot of material that I would categorize as mostly reliable. https://ehtrust.org/

I think it is very unfair that your reply was flagged while the same level theory of OP comment is top ranked.

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> I think there's are huge risk that we are about to realize that either social media cannot be made safe, at all, or that it has been made dangerous in order to make a profit. People have been screaming that at the top of their lungs for years.

But what do we do with that information? Un-invent social media, ban it? How would such a ban work and what should it cover? At this point I feel like we should pick a time in history, say the late 1930s or 1940s, somewhere around there, and use that as a frame of reference. Any new technology would be assessed based on the value added to average persons life, vs. the overall cost to society and the planet. Only if i…

That's a very romantic approach ("good old times"), but it's fundamental broken even if we could implement it.

The late 1930s and 1940s weren't exactly the greatest time to be around, and using that as a yardstick sets us up for a large downhill climb. And then there's the problem that often, changes interact with each other, and their full value (or cost) is only clear when it's together with other inventions.

You can't ask "what would social media in a 1930s society be like, what's the impact". It requires the existence of computers, of the Internet, of ubiquitous device access. These require advanced electronics, rocketry, etc etc.

This also goes in the opposite direction - a "social media is out right away" would end up leaving a ton of people completely isolated. It can't be simply undone, the genie is out of the bottle. (It might also require removing all group texts apps, and you go from there)

We can only do what we've always done - assess risks before implementing, possibly implement, assess actual changes after implementing. There is no idyll we can return to. Only daily work to make things better.

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