Yes, of course a hardware startup have a better product than Open AI. Definitely not an entirely faked demo… my suggestion is that this will not happen for 5 years at least.
Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
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#402The website - looks like its trying to emualte apple.
The key note = The speakers hand movements and gestures are funny, emualting apple again.
The demo of the device, faked.
Funny - When it switches cameras back to the guy holding the device and hes just nodding, looks totally fake...
all in all.. fake and trying to copy apple. Can't people be original anymore?
Is this an early April fools?
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#403I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…
I mean… sure, but wanting something and getting it are different things right?
We agree that those things are things we do want, but do you really think we’re getting any of them here?
I think it’s reasonably legitimate to go: cool idea, I want it on my phone, as an app.
There is no reason for this to be, and indeed, mostly isnt a hardware device; it’s mostly a cloud service with a mystifying and useless custom piece of hardware tacked on the edge.
You’re doing on device inference? Cool, sign me up, you have my attention.
You have a cloud service for AI integration with existing apps? Mm… like, how is that different from any of the other AI startups?
If you differentiator is “my SaaS comes with a plastic box and no subscription fee” you gotta expect people to laugh, it’s a joke.
Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
#404meh!
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#405I don't think he touched the scroll wheel in the keynote. Why is it there? What does it do? I found it awkward he scrolled by touching the screen across the damn scroll wheel. Just use it. At least in the keynote. And then there are so many questions about the hardware capabilities of this device: - where is the inference running? I don't believe it's on the device. And if it's in the cloud then why make the claim it…
It's using a Mediatek Helio P35, a SoC from 2018. It's slower than an iPhone 6S.
There's no 5G support either, unless they've purchased an external modem. So even if you do live in an area with low-latency 5G, you aren't gonna get it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be running just a cheap Android fork that's locked in kiosk mode with a single app (or webapp).
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 3) In the keynote, the demo of logging into to other services like Spotify appears to just be stealing the auth tokens from the laptop and shipping them to the R1 device. Not a good sign. I don't think the tokens are getting transferred to the device. It seems everything happens on the cloud, so the tokens must have been stored on the cloud too.
I think the tokens are stored on device. I think what is happening is that this is effectively an Android device (or web browser) that you are somewhat normally logging into apps on. Then the LAM (which is running on device) is interacting with those authenticated apps behind the scenes, and only showing you the slick black screen with the rabbit and results on it.
You've hit it.
It's a 2018 spec Android device. $50 of electronic parts, $150 for the custom case.
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#407Two things in the keynote that seem faked: 1. at 13:13 there's a demo ordering a ride 'to home', then the user requests a car change to fit six people, and what's shown as a seamless switch from UberX to UberXL also updates the destination from the home address to LAX airport. 2. at 14:05 the device confirms and recites a pizza order, but the screen displays "chesse" with a typo while the voice reads out "cheese", so…
At 15:55 the two screens de-sync. He's telling it that the schedule is too intense and on one screen he lifts his finger off before he ends and the other is still on the button. It was definitely shot as a single take. But hey, I guess if Google can do it you can pitch LLM WeChat. At $200, I'm tempted to buy one, they could be as famous as Theranos.
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#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
From > rabbit OS operates apps on our secured cloud, so you don’t have to. Log into the apps you’d like rabbit to use on your system through the rabbit hole to relay control. You only need to do this once per app. it seems that this device doesn't run anything locally, everything is in the cloud.
It would be far easier to do the same things with an app and ask for a fraction of the price
probably done with an app for a multiplication of the revenue
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#409The biggest competitor to Apple and google is ChatGPT.
The future of manual human interactions is certainly limited. (It will definitely end up looking like movie Her).
OpenAI is in best position to redefine the edge OS’s that get us there.
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#410I'll call it. This is vaporware. This is similar to Fast and Bolt.
2 reasons:
- It will be better as a phone. People will not use it and the initial hype will die quickly.
- It is seemingly useful but useless in practice because many things are impossible to do. The demo is already so fake.
With the two above reasons, the momentum and funding will dry up quickly.
Check back in a year.